Feature changed by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Feature #319432, revision 2 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. + Discussion: + #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) + I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the + package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we + need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432

Feature changed by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Feature #319432, revision 8 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. Discussion: #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. #2: Simon Lees (simotek) (2015-09-08 12:46:55) Id take a guess that line 241 of https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... is maybe responsible, though i'm not quite sure. + #3: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-08 16:25:59) + Thanks. And FWIW this is evaluated in yast2-installation. It seems that + this is treated as a string, and even the default value is the empty + string. So it should be possible to pass the empty value there (I + hope). The current plan is like the following: - Set the default of + logon to empty only for minima X installation (editing xml files + above). - Make sure xdm works as a fallback if $DISPLAYAMANGER is + empty. Even the current package should work as is, but we need to + check. - Make xdm PreReq for other DM packages, and add post/postun to + each DM package to modify /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation + time. It writes the value only if it is empty. So it won't break + updates. Also, it deletes the value at uninstallation if it's the + target package. + Since the XML files contain still logon target for some patterns (gdm + for GNOME), this change won't break anything. And, the demand (lightdm + works automatically after installing on top of minimal X) should be + fulfilled by this, too. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432

Feature changed by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Feature #319432, revision 10 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. Discussion: #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. #2: Simon Lees (simotek) (2015-09-08 12:46:55) Id take a guess that line 241 of https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... is maybe responsible, though i'm not quite sure. #3: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-08 16:25:59) Thanks. And FWIW this is evaluated in yast2-installation. It seems that this is treated as a string, and even the default value is the empty string. So it should be possible to pass the empty value there (I hope). The current plan is like the following: - Set the default of logon to empty only for minima X installation (editing xml files above). - Make sure xdm works as a fallback if $DISPLAYAMANGER is empty. Even the current package should work as is, but we need to check. - Make xdm PreReq for other DM packages, and add post/postun to each DM package to modify /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. It writes the value only if it is empty. So it won't break updates. Also, it deletes the value at uninstallation if it's the target package. Since the XML files contain still logon target for some patterns (gdm for GNOME), this change won't break anything. And, the demand (lightdm works automatically after installing on top of minimal X) should be fulfilled by this, too. #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2015-09-09 18:05:44) I'm not an OpenSUSE developer, but I have idea I could realize. There should be an option from DM to select another DM - for example by pressing session button. I think XDM doesn't have option to select DE, so we could realize both ideas. + #5: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-09 18:19:00) (reply to #4) + It's interesting, but I'm afraid that it's an overkill. + Most of the installations are xdm + one anogher DM. xdm is always + present because it serves the basic DM startup infrastructure, too. So, + making other DM overriding the default xdm should suffice in 99% cases, + I suppose. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432

Feature changed by: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) Feature #319432, revision 12 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. Discussion: #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. #2: Simon Lees (simotek) (2015-09-08 12:46:55) Id take a guess that line 241 of https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... is maybe responsible, though i'm not quite sure. #3: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-08 16:25:59) Thanks. And FWIW this is evaluated in yast2-installation. It seems that this is treated as a string, and even the default value is the empty string. So it should be possible to pass the empty value there (I hope). The current plan is like the following: - Set the default of logon to empty only for minima X installation (editing xml files above). - Make sure xdm works as a fallback if $DISPLAYAMANGER is empty. Even the current package should work as is, but we need to check. - Make xdm PreReq for other DM packages, and add post/postun to each DM package to modify /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. It writes the value only if it is empty. So it won't break updates. Also, it deletes the value at uninstallation if it's the target package. Since the XML files contain still logon target for some patterns (gdm for GNOME), this change won't break anything. And, the demand (lightdm works automatically after installing on top of minimal X) should be fulfilled by this, too. #6: Stefan Seyfried (seife) (2015-09-14 17:25:37) (reply to #3) If you install multiple DMs, the first one wins this gamble. But if it is uninstalled later, the DISPLAYMANAGER variable is empty again, even though other, "better than xdm" alternatives are installed. How about changing the logic in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager instead to choose a good default, if DISPLAYMANAGER is empty? + #7: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-18 10:04:40) (reply to #6) + Stefan, YAST is already filling DISPLAYMANAGER variable with the + appropriate DM for KDE/GNOME/Xfce/lxde desktop if one of these desktop + has been selected for isntallation. So it's only empty after + installation if you do minimal or minimal+X11 installation. How many + DMs would you a user expect to install in addition? I would expect if a + user manually selects enlightenment desktop he would like to use + ligthdm and nothing else. Honestly what we're trying to cover here is + already a corner case anyway ... + Of course you can make things much more difficult ... #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2015-09-09 18:05:44) I'm not an OpenSUSE developer, but I have idea I could realize. There should be an option from DM to select another DM - for example by pressing session button. I think XDM doesn't have option to select DE, so we could realize both ideas. #5: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-09 18:19:00) (reply to #4) It's interesting, but I'm afraid that it's an overkill. Most of the installations are xdm + one anogher DM. xdm is always present because it serves the basic DM startup infrastructure, too. So, making other DM overriding the default xdm should suffice in 99% cases, I suppose. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432

Feature changed by: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) Feature #319432, revision 14 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. Discussion: #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. #2: Simon Lees (simotek) (2015-09-08 12:46:55) Id take a guess that line 241 of https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... is maybe responsible, though i'm not quite sure. #3: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-08 16:25:59) Thanks. And FWIW this is evaluated in yast2-installation. It seems that this is treated as a string, and even the default value is the empty string. So it should be possible to pass the empty value there (I hope). The current plan is like the following: - Set the default of logon to empty only for minima X installation (editing xml files above). - Make sure xdm works as a fallback if $DISPLAYAMANGER is empty. Even the current package should work as is, but we need to check. - Make xdm PreReq for other DM packages, and add post/postun to each DM package to modify /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. It writes the value only if it is empty. So it won't break updates. Also, it deletes the value at uninstallation if it's the target package. Since the XML files contain still logon target for some patterns (gdm for GNOME), this change won't break anything. And, the demand (lightdm works automatically after installing on top of minimal X) should be fulfilled by this, too. #6: Stefan Seyfried (seife) (2015-09-14 17:25:37) (reply to #3) If you install multiple DMs, the first one wins this gamble. But if it is uninstalled later, the DISPLAYMANAGER variable is empty again, even though other, "better than xdm" alternatives are installed. How about changing the logic in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager instead to choose a good default, if DISPLAYMANAGER is empty? #7: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-18 10:04:40) (reply to #6) Stefan, YAST is already filling DISPLAYMANAGER variable with the appropriate DM for KDE/GNOME/Xfce/lxde desktop if one of these desktop has been selected for isntallation. So it's only empty after installation if you do minimal or minimal+X11 installation. How many DMs would you a user expect to install in addition? I would expect if a user manually selects enlightenment desktop he would like to use ligthdm and nothing else. Honestly what we're trying to cover here is already a corner case anyway ... Of course you can make things much more difficult ... #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2015-09-09 18:05:44) I'm not an OpenSUSE developer, but I have idea I could realize. There should be an option from DM to select another DM - for example by pressing session button. I think XDM doesn't have option to select DE, so we could realize both ideas. #5: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-09 18:19:00) (reply to #4) It's interesting, but I'm afraid that it's an overkill. Most of the installations are xdm + one anogher DM. xdm is always present because it serves the basic DM startup infrastructure, too. So, making other DM overriding the default xdm should suffice in 99% cases, I suppose. #8: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-23 12:17:23) For ligthdm package I've just created SR#333136, which fixes some remaining issue of SR#330909. + #9: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-23 15:01:13) + I just did a pull request against YaST for the skelcd-control-openSUSE + XML file . See https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/pull/34. + Let's wait and see what happens there. ;-) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432

Feature changed by: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) Feature #319432, revision 16 Title: Improve the default DM selection beahvior of xdm Requested by: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Currently we set a fixed DM via /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. With minimal X instalation pattern, xdm package is used, and this is set to "xdm". When user installs more DEs (e.g. Enlightment) on its top, xdm is still used even after a richer DM like lightdm is present on the system. And changing this needs the manual edition of /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, which is hard for many users. This request tries to address this. One feasible way to fix this is to change the default DM selection behavior. In this change, we'll set the empty string to /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager $DISPLAYMANAGER variable as default in xdm package. Also, change the parser in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager script so that: 1. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is set, use it. 2. If $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty or it points to non- existing entry, fallback in either of the following: 2a. If there is other DM than xdm, use it. 2b. If there is only xdm, use xdm. Supposedly, YaST sets $DISPLAYMANAGER to an appropriate value when KDE, GNOME or other patterns are used. So for these installations, the change above should be harmless. The change takes effect only for stacked installation based on minimal X pattern or such. Discussion: #1: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-07 15:14:40) I checked xdm package, and found that $DISPLAYMANAGER is empty in the package level. It means that YaST writes it even for minimal X? Then we need to change YaST, too, at least for patterns that set it to xdm. #2: Simon Lees (simotek) (2015-09-08 12:46:55) Id take a guess that line 241 of https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... is maybe responsible, though i'm not quite sure. #3: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-08 16:25:59) Thanks. And FWIW this is evaluated in yast2-installation. It seems that this is treated as a string, and even the default value is the empty string. So it should be possible to pass the empty value there (I hope). The current plan is like the following: - Set the default of logon to empty only for minima X installation (editing xml files above). - Make sure xdm works as a fallback if $DISPLAYAMANGER is empty. Even the current package should work as is, but we need to check. - Make xdm PreReq for other DM packages, and add post/postun to each DM package to modify /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager at installation time. It writes the value only if it is empty. So it won't break updates. Also, it deletes the value at uninstallation if it's the target package. Since the XML files contain still logon target for some patterns (gdm for GNOME), this change won't break anything. And, the demand (lightdm works automatically after installing on top of minimal X) should be fulfilled by this, too. #6: Stefan Seyfried (seife) (2015-09-14 17:25:37) (reply to #3) If you install multiple DMs, the first one wins this gamble. But if it is uninstalled later, the DISPLAYMANAGER variable is empty again, even though other, "better than xdm" alternatives are installed. How about changing the logic in /usr/lib/X11/display-manager instead to choose a good default, if DISPLAYMANAGER is empty? #7: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-18 10:04:40) (reply to #6) Stefan, YAST is already filling DISPLAYMANAGER variable with the appropriate DM for KDE/GNOME/Xfce/lxde desktop if one of these desktop has been selected for isntallation. So it's only empty after installation if you do minimal or minimal+X11 installation. How many DMs would you a user expect to install in addition? I would expect if a user manually selects enlightenment desktop he would like to use ligthdm and nothing else. Honestly what we're trying to cover here is already a corner case anyway ... Of course you can make things much more difficult ... #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2015-09-09 18:05:44) I'm not an OpenSUSE developer, but I have idea I could realize. There should be an option from DM to select another DM - for example by pressing session button. I think XDM doesn't have option to select DE, so we could realize both ideas. #5: Takashi Iwai (tiwai) (2015-09-09 18:19:00) (reply to #4) It's interesting, but I'm afraid that it's an overkill. Most of the installations are xdm + one anogher DM. xdm is always present because it serves the basic DM startup infrastructure, too. So, making other DM overriding the default xdm should suffice in 99% cases, I suppose. #8: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-23 12:17:23) For ligthdm package I've just created SR#333136, which fixes some remaining issue of SR#330909. #9: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-23 15:01:13) I just did a pull request against YaST for the skelcd-control-openSUSE XML file . See https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/pull/34. Let's wait and see what happens there. ;-) #10: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-09-30 16:00:12) pull request was merged in yesterday. + #11: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2015-10-20 13:25:36) + SR#330909 (comment#8) for lightdm has been accepted and landed in + openSUSE:Factory. skelcd-control-openSUSE in openSUSE:Factory has also + been updated with the changes on github. So I believe I can close this + feature now as done. :-) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/319432