[openFATE 307845] Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver
Feature added by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 1 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place. Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (PPA for Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 2 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place. Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (PPA for Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not - noticable with the patch applied) + noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 3 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place. Links: - Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... + Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (PPA for Ubuntu - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) PPA - for Ubuntu: + https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) + PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 4 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place. Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... - (PPA for Ubuntu - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) + (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 5 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place. Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, - maximizing, minimizing,... windows. + maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 6 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible - place. + place + To use fglrx with kernel 2.6.31 you need to use the Catalyst 8.10 beta + driver from Ubuntu with the help of this script provided by kano + (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) : + #!/bin/sh + cd /usr/src + wget -N http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run + wget -N http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-ins... + DIR_OLD=fglrx.old + DIR_NEW=fglrx.new + rm -rf "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" + mkdir "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" + sh ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run --extract "$DIR_OLD" + tar -C "$DIR_NEW" -zvxf fglrx-installer_8.660.orig.tar.gz + cp "$DIR_OLD"/* "$DIR_NEW" + cp -r "$DIR_OLD"/setup.data "$DIR_NEW" + cd "$DIR_NEW" + wget -qO- "http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=fglrx-packaging.git&dl=targz" + |tar zxv + mv -v fglrx-packaging packages + rm -rf packages/ArchLinux + mkdir common + mv -v etc lib opt usr common + cp -r ../"$DIR_OLD"/packages/ATI packages + ./ati-installer.sh 8.66 --install + + Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) + Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu + 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 + (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 7 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place - To use fglrx with kernel 2.6.31 you need to use the Catalyst 8.10 beta - driver from Ubuntu with the help of this script provided by kano - (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) : + To use fglrx on Factory with kernel 2.6.31 you need to use the Catalyst + 8.10 beta driver from Ubuntu with the help of this script provided by + kano (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) : #!/bin/sh cd /usr/src wget -N http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run wget -N http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-ins... DIR_OLD=fglrx.old DIR_NEW=fglrx.new rm -rf "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" mkdir "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" sh ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run --extract "$DIR_OLD" tar -C "$DIR_NEW" -zvxf fglrx-installer_8.660.orig.tar.gz cp "$DIR_OLD"/* "$DIR_NEW" cp -r "$DIR_OLD"/setup.data "$DIR_NEW" cd "$DIR_NEW" wget -qO- "http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=fglrx-packaging.git&dl=targz" |tar zxv mv -v fglrx-packaging packages rm -rf packages/ArchLinux mkdir common mv -v etc lib opt usr common cp -r ../"$DIR_OLD"/packages/ATI packages ./ati-installer.sh 8.66 --install Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Hendrik Vogelsang (hennevogel) Feature #307845, revision 8 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place To use fglrx on Factory with kernel 2.6.31 you need to use the Catalyst 8.10 beta driver from Ubuntu with the help of this script provided by kano (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) : #!/bin/sh cd /usr/src wget -N http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run wget -N http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-ins... DIR_OLD=fglrx.old DIR_NEW=fglrx.new rm -rf "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" mkdir "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" sh ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run --extract "$DIR_OLD" tar -C "$DIR_NEW" -zvxf fglrx-installer_8.660.orig.tar.gz cp "$DIR_OLD"/* "$DIR_NEW" cp -r "$DIR_OLD"/setup.data "$DIR_NEW" cd "$DIR_NEW" wget -qO- "http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=fglrx-packaging.git&dl=targz" |tar zxv mv -v fglrx-packaging packages rm -rf packages/ArchLinux mkdir common mv -v etc lib opt usr common cp -r ../"$DIR_OLD"/packages/ATI packages ./ati-installer.sh 8.66 --install - - Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) - Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 9 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place - To use fglrx on Factory with kernel 2.6.31 you need to use the Catalyst - 8.10 beta driver from Ubuntu with the help of this script provided by - kano (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) : - #!/bin/sh - cd /usr/src - wget -N http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run - wget -N http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-ins... - DIR_OLD=fglrx.old - DIR_NEW=fglrx.new - rm -rf "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" - mkdir "$DIR_OLD" "$DIR_NEW" - sh ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64.run --extract "$DIR_OLD" - tar -C "$DIR_NEW" -zvxf fglrx-installer_8.660.orig.tar.gz - cp "$DIR_OLD"/* "$DIR_NEW" - cp -r "$DIR_OLD"/setup.data "$DIR_NEW" - cd "$DIR_NEW" - wget -qO- "http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=fglrx-packaging.git&dl=targz" - |tar zxv - mv -v fglrx-packaging packages - rm -rf packages/ArchLinux - mkdir common - mv -v etc lib opt usr common - cp -r ../"$DIR_OLD"/packages/ATI packages - ./ati-installer.sh 8.66 --install + Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the + (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the + same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) + Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ + (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) + backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 + (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 10 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ - (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) + (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 11 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: + Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 + (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 12 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) - Buildservice repository for Factory: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor... (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 15 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) + Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer:/backclear113/o... + Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) Feature #307845, revision 16 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer:/backclear113/o... Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver + Discussion: + #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) + + I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... + but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite + powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x + (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and + see if there is a noticeable difference. + I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card + complains that the effects run slowly. + -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) Feature #307845, revision 17 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer:/backclear113/o... Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. + #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) + To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the + grips on the window edge. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 18 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer:/backclear113/o... Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. + #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) + @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my + repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 19 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) - Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer:/backclear113/o... + Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the + backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Feature #307845, revision 20 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above + #4: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-07-21 18:02:56) + After version 10.6 of Catalyst the backclear patch is no longer needed + for fast desktop effects. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #307845, revision 21 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important + openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Mandatory Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above #4: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-07-21 18:02:56) After version 10.6 of Catalyst the backclear patch is no longer needed for fast desktop effects. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #307845, revision 22 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver + Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above #4: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-07-21 18:02:56) After version 10.6 of Catalyst the backclear patch is no longer needed for fast desktop effects. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) Feature #307845, revision 24 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) - Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) - I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. - #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above #4: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-07-21 18:02:56) After version 10.6 of Catalyst the backclear patch is no longer needed for fast desktop effects. + #5: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2010-08-12 11:28:34) (reply to #4) + Catalyst 10.6 (version 8.741) aka -G02 RPMs are already available via + the 11.1/11.2/11.3 repos. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #307845, revision 25 Title: Fast/usable desktop effects with fglrx driver - Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Done Priority - Requester: Desirable - openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed - Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory - Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed - Priority - Requester: Important Requested by: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Some desktop effects (e.g. maximizing windows on compiz and kwin4) are unacceptably slow (take a few SECONDS) when using the fglrx driver on ATI cards. This problem is well known and has been discussed in many places (e.g. on the Phoronix forums (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=90703) ). Who is to blame for the problem, is not entirely clear (possible candidates: kwin, xorg, fglrx - e.g. see this blog (http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/169) ). It is reasonable to suspect that it will still take some time until the true source of the problem is located and a fix is brought foreward. As an intermediary solution there exists a "workaround" (a patch (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) for xserver), which disables background initialization. This will result in background corruption (video garbage) in windows or new objects, however it also gives a performance boost e.g. for users of ATI graphics cards and chips under the fglrx driver, and on some drivers the corruption isn't noticeable. It is the background corruption for other drivers, which prohibits the patch from being applied upstream. Therefore Ubuntu provides a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) containing xserver packages with this patch applied for users of fglrx. I think that openSUSE should follow suit and create a (semi-)official repository. I have already built the respective packages in my private buildserver project (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) , but I think that these packages deserve a more prominent and visible place Update: I started to use a different patch, which addressed the (theoretical) security issues of the no-backfill patch but achieves the same performance gains: xserver-xorg-backclear.patch Links: Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546033) (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_Factor...) Buildservice repository for 11.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/ (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dgrafenhofer/openSUSE_11.2/) Buildservice repository for Factory (11.3): (link removed, with Catalyst 10.6 the backclear patch is no longer necessary to get fast window resizing...) Fedora patch: https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don... (https://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-11/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.4.99-don...) PPA for Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/xserver-no-backfill) backclear patch: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30 (http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=9f07eb0050fda9b71c152982840803b1&p=8035730&postcount=30) Kano's script to install Catalyst 9.10 beta on distributions other than Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915 (http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915) Test Case: Install the fglrx drivers for your ati card/chip. Turn on desktop effects (compiz or kwin4). Open a window. Maximize the window. Minimize the window. Note the delay (measured in seconds without the no-backfill patch, not noticeable with the patch applied) Use Case: Everyday work using a destop environment typically involves opening, maximizing, minimizing,... windows all the time. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We want fast/usable desktop effects with the fglrx driver Discussion: #1: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:33:44) I am assuming that the lagg isn't very noticeable for me (not instant... but no more then half a second), since my graphics card is quite powerful, Radeon HD 4870, and my resolution isn't overly large, 2 x (1280 x 1024), but I would be curious to see what this looks like and see if there is a noticeable difference. I know a friend of mine with larger screens and the same video card complains that the effects run slowly. #2: Jimmy Berry (boombatower) (2010-06-10 23:52:21) To clarify, it laggs quite bad when I drag-resize using one of the grips on the window edge. #3: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-06-11 07:48:36) @Jimmy Berry: Did you try the packages with the backclear patch from my repository? Links for 11.2 and Factory can be found above #4: Dominik Grafenhofer (dgrafenhofer) (2010-07-21 18:02:56) After version 10.6 of Catalyst the backclear patch is no longer needed for fast desktop effects. #5: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2010-08-12 11:28:34) (reply to #4) Catalyst 10.6 (version 8.741) aka -G02 RPMs are already available via the 11.1/11.2/11.3 repos. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307845
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