Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #307250, revision 3 Title: sax2 - ensure consistency with xrandr - openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.2: New Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Description: Regarding sax2 user experience: Kde4 - systemsettings has its own xrandr. LXDE has its lxrandr.  Ensure users don't experience unpredictable behavior playing around with different tools or ensure there is only one such tool installable. -   Discussion: #1: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-08 15:12:59) Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is not needed any more. For long time users of openSUSE sax2 could be made a wrapper link to "xrandr --auto" + #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 11:10:29) + I think this is done already for 11.2. Stefan, can you confirm, + please? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307250

Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #307250, revision 5 Title: sax2 - ensure consistency with xrandr - openSUSE-11.2: New + openSUSE-11.2: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Description: Regarding sax2 user experience: Kde4 - systemsettings has its own xrandr. LXDE has its lxrandr.  Ensure users don't experience unpredictable behavior playing around with different tools or ensure there is only one such tool installable. Discussion: #1: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-08 15:12:59) Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is not needed any more. For long time users of openSUSE sax2 could be made a wrapper link to "xrandr --auto" #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 11:10:29) I think this is done already for 11.2. Stefan, can you confirm, please? #3: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2009-08-12 11:45:37) SaX2 is no longer used by default and also no longer available via the GUI. You need to run it from the command line now. We still want to have it as fallback, if things go wrong with Xserver's autoconfiguration. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307250

Feature changed by: Tara Ikeda (TaraIkeda) Feature #307250, revision 7 Title: sax2 - ensure consistency with xrandr openSUSE-11.2: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Description: Regarding sax2 user experience: Kde4 - systemsettings has its own xrandr. LXDE has its lxrandr.  Ensure users don't experience unpredictable behavior playing around with different tools or ensure there is only one such tool installable. Test Case: * press alt+f2, type: sax2. it should not exists Discussion: #1: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-08 15:12:59) Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is not needed any more. For long time users of openSUSE sax2 could be made a wrapper link to "xrandr --auto" #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 11:10:29) I think this is done already for 11.2. Stefan, can you confirm, please? #3: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2009-08-12 11:45:37) SaX2 is no longer used by default and also no longer available via the GUI. You need to run it from the command line now. We still want to have it as fallback, if things go wrong with Xserver's autoconfiguration. + #4: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-17 07:18:06) + Now this is stupid, I mean if you log out and you go back to the old + resolution you had as it seems KDE4 does not remember resolution + settings. So with SAX's GUI gone as you guys propose you have to use + the terminal, something I thought most "user friendly" distros are + supposed to turn away from. Or manually edit xorg like Ubuntu in some + cases. + This is a dumb move people. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307250

Feature changed by: Atri Bhattacharya (badshah400) Feature #307250, revision 9 Title: sax2 - ensure consistency with xrandr openSUSE-11.2: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Description: Regarding sax2 user experience: Kde4 - systemsettings has its own xrandr. LXDE has its lxrandr.  Ensure users don't experience unpredictable behavior playing around with different tools or ensure there is only one such tool installable. Test Case: * press alt+f2, type: sax2. it should not exists Discussion: #1: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-08 15:12:59) Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is not needed any more. For long time users of openSUSE sax2 could be made a wrapper link to "xrandr --auto" #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 11:10:29) I think this is done already for 11.2. Stefan, can you confirm, please? #3: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2009-08-12 11:45:37) SaX2 is no longer used by default and also no longer available via the GUI. You need to run it from the command line now. We still want to have it as fallback, if things go wrong with Xserver's autoconfiguration. #5: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-17 07:34:52) (reply to #3) Well darn right it needs to be a fallback. But why remove the GUII for such a useful tool. Seriously you guys who came up with this idea do not have any idea, when people complain not being able to stick to their resolution then this will be requested back. Removing SaX2 is a stupid idea, it makes things easier and yet tyou want to make things harder... Very moronic. #4: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-17 07:18:06) Now this is stupid, I mean if you log out and you go back to the old resolution you had as it seems KDE4 does not remember resolution settings. So with SAX's GUI gone as you guys propose you have to use the terminal, something I thought most "user friendly" distros are supposed to turn away from. Or manually edit xorg like Ubuntu in some cases. This is a dumb move people. + #6: Atri Bhattacharya (badshah400) (2009-10-17 13:27:50) + (Installation from gnome LIVE-CD, x86_64, 11.2 RC1). + Alt+f2 -> type sax2 (sax2 icon shows up) -> press enter (sax2 does not + open). + Application browser -> sax2 -> clicking opens sax2. + I dont know if I understand correctly but there is supposed to be no + gui way to access sax2 right? Apparently rc1 still has it from main- + menu -> more applications. + Should I file a bug? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307250

Feature changed by: Robert Ish (Sagemta) Feature #307250, revision 11 Title: sax2 - ensure consistency with xrandr openSUSE-11.2: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Description: Regarding sax2 user experience: Kde4 - systemsettings has its own xrandr. LXDE has its lxrandr.  Ensure users don't experience unpredictable behavior playing around with different tools or ensure there is only one such tool installable. Test Case: * press alt+f2, type: sax2. it should not exists Discussion: #1: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-08 15:12:59) Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is not needed any more. For long time users of openSUSE sax2 could be made a wrapper link to "xrandr --auto" #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-08-12 11:10:29) I think this is done already for 11.2. Stefan, can you confirm, please? #3: Stefan Dirsch (sndirsch) (2009-08-12 11:45:37) SaX2 is no longer used by default and also no longer available via the GUI. You need to run it from the command line now. We still want to have it as fallback, if things go wrong with Xserver's autoconfiguration. #5: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-17 07:34:52) (reply to #3) Well darn right it needs to be a fallback. But why remove the GUII for such a useful tool. Seriously you guys who came up with this idea do not have any idea, when people complain not being able to stick to their resolution then this will be requested back. Removing SaX2 is a stupid idea, it makes things easier and yet tyou want to make things harder... Very moronic. #4: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-17 07:18:06) Now this is stupid, I mean if you log out and you go back to the old resolution you had as it seems KDE4 does not remember resolution settings. So with SAX's GUI gone as you guys propose you have to use the terminal, something I thought most "user friendly" distros are supposed to turn away from. Or manually edit xorg like Ubuntu in some cases. This is a dumb move people. #6: Atri Bhattacharya (badshah400) (2009-10-17 13:27:50) (Installation from gnome LIVE-CD, x86_64, 11.2 RC1). Alt+f2 -> type sax2 (sax2 icon shows up) -> press enter (sax2 does not open). Application browser -> sax2 -> clicking opens sax2. I dont know if I understand correctly but there is supposed to be no gui way to access sax2 right? Apparently rc1 still has it from main- menu -> more applications. Should I file a bug? #7: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) (2009-10-18 14:27:59) (reply to #6) Dont remind them, its stupid to rely on KDE4's screen resoltion tool! If you install your system ahnd it does not detect your best resolution it might stick you with an inferior resolution. My default resolution is 800x600 and I want my best resolution 1024x768, but with Sax2 gone I have to rely on KDE4's resolution settings tool. Sounds easty enough right? WRONG! If your system defaults to the small resoltion guess what, your scewed idf KDE4 does not remember your desired resoltion. And for me it never did, I always needed something like Mandriva's control center or Sax2. I get stuck with 800x600, its why I cant use Kubuntu! What are we trying to make openSUSE like Kubuntu, so that when you need a higher resolution by default you have to edit xorg and crap like that? Sax2 needs to remain, it is impossible for me to rely on KDE4's buttf%$&ed resolution tool and its inability to save my desired resolution. You peple who suggested it be removed need your heads examined, we need the GUI too for new users. If we take a useful tool liike this away it will be foolish, to remove the GUI and have people use the commandline to access this useful tool boarders on stupidity. If you folks want to attract more new users you must keep Sax's GUI there, I think its screwed up that you people suggested it to be removed. And to see it accually go through is another stupid move, whoever okayed this stupid idea must be six times as stupid. + #8: Robert Ish (sagemta) (2009-10-26 04:13:38) + "Discussion turns to direction not to use sax2 any more as xorg.conf is + not needed any more." + So if the new way obsoletes the old. Then how about this maybe for 11.3 + or 12.0 a "sax3" + that would do the funtions of sax2 in Yast. Only this sax3 would work + with the new way. + I know we seem to have a revival of the CLI crowd but CLI while it gets + the job done sometimes I or others like me  don't have the time nor the + desire to use CLI. This especially true if I just want to get going + quickly after a hiccup on my PC. They rarely happen but I'm usually + doing something when they do & that's a time when I have neither time + or desire. + We also have to consider the noobs if we want them to get into & learn + Linux we must stay within their initial comfort zone. If we don't we + feed the FUDmonster about Linux being a geek only province. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307250