Feature changed by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Feature #308361, revision 3 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12)   Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html - cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older - releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation - testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could - easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM - templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from - the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, - slipstream + cons: + methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases + if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is + needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do + that) + Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are + not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public + keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361

Feature changed by: Carlos Lange (cflange) Feature #308361, revision 6 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12)   Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get Discussion: #1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28) I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above (father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a friend/colleague to do it for you! Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates. Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is "too many" updates. + #2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16) + I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all + computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to + install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is + painful. + Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few, + which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a + DVD ISO image. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361

Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #308361, revision 9 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority - Requester: Desirable + Requester: Important Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12)   Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get Discussion: #1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28) I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above (father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a friend/colleague to do it for you! Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates. Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is "too many" updates. #2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16) I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is painful. Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few, which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a DVD ISO image. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361

Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #308361, revision 11 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority - Requester: Important + Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12)   Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get Discussion: #1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28) I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above (father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a friend/colleague to do it for you! Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates. Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is "too many" updates. #2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16) I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is painful. Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few, which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a DVD ISO image. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361

Feature changed by: Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy) Feature #308361, revision 15 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - openSUSE-11.3: New + openSUSE Distribution: New Priority - Requester: Important + Requester: Desirable - openSUSE-11.4: New - Priority - Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12) Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get Discussion: #1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28) I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above (father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a friend/colleague to do it for you! Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates. Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is "too many" updates. #2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16) I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is painful. Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few, which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a DVD ISO image. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361

Feature changed by: Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv) Feature #308361, revision 17 Title: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - openSUSE Distribution: New + openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv) + reject reason: We now branch of SLE and release every year while have + short support cycle that does not justify regenerating ISO images. + For the rolling approach one just should stick to TW. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Offer remastered isos for released versions every N months - with sane N being in range (6..12) Remastering has been done once for 10.1: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-10/msg00001.html cons: methods to make current factory.iso might not work for older releases if isos shall be officially supported, some installation testing is needed (for N>3, a determined individual (e.g. me) could easily do that) Alternatives: Kiwi, SUSE Studio - but those lack GM templates and are not as easy-to-use for that purpose for a user from the general public keywords: remastered, respin, servicepack, slipstream Relations: - Suggestion for future Leap versions (Reddit) (url: https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/57id2q/suggestion_for_future_leap...) Use Case: User A wants to install a stable version of openSUSE on his father's computer, but since his father only has a modem connection, installing 100 MB of updates after installation to have a secure system is not possible. So user A downloads openSUSE-11.1-DVD-remastered1-i586.iso over his broadband Internet connection, burns it and installs it, needing to fetch at most updates of the last N months over slow Internet. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: openSUSE GM isos are usually released with dozens of known issues and hundreds of unknown issues for which later updates are released. https://features.opensuse.org/308284 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-08/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2008-12/msg00004.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2009-11/msg00008.html pro: allows installations in cases where bugs in original network/IDE/SATA/graphics driver prevented easy installation+update allows to cleanup other ugly installation issues like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556868 allows to easily install an updated system where no broadband internet connection is available compared to current GM isos, such an DVD iso is better suited for user- archives after discontinuation, when updates become unavailable hardly any extra work needed, as updates are already created and tested existing image-creation mechanisms can be re-used sort of the most bug-free openSUSE we can get Discussion: #1: Victor Ong (acuvic) (2009-11-24 23:14:28) I like this idea very much. Besides useful in the case given above (father's computer) when you need a reinstall after the original ISO has been released for a while, it saves background mega update when just after a reinstall and you are trying to use the computer. Just bittorrent the latest ISO when you have spare time and dont need the computer for a while. Or if your 'puter is kaput, ask a friend/colleague to do it for you! Perhaps instead of an ISO release after every N months, it should be a release after X number updates, or even after Y MBytes of updates. Because in N months, there might not be many updates or the converse is "too many" updates. #2: Carlos Lange (cflange) (2009-11-25 06:52:16) I also like this a lot. I usually install every other release in all computers in my lab, so by the end of the 1.5 year cycle, if I need to install a new machine, the download and installation of patches is painful. Victor: I don't think it mathers if there were many patches (or few, which would be a first!), since the download would always consist of a DVD ISO image. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308361