Feature changed by: Dominique Leuenberger (dimstar_suse) Feature #314853, revision 6 Title: Remove xterm and icewm from default installation openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Jared Meidal (kahu) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: xterm and icewm are great alternatives, but seem redundant when always bundled with default installations of Gnome or KDE's terminal (gnome- terminal, konsole). Also, having the icewm session is a great fallback and useful for emergency access but really necessary by default? I have found that if I remove xterm is removed the bundle with icewm, but also xorg-X11 and other packages. When this happens GDM will not launch after a reboot without CLI commands. This does not feel intuitive for a smooth default system, or helpful for a user who is wanting to clean up their packages or menu items they do not use. Discussion: #1: Michael Catanzaro (golbats_everywhere) (2013-02-17 23:03:49) At least xterm should definitely not be installed by default. #2: vazha vandan (vazhavandan) (2013-02-24 15:47:35) you mentioned that "icewm session is a great fallback". Why would you remove a fallback GUI from a default installation? On other hand the weird dependency conditions might be removed All these packages occupy only a few of megabytes of HDD space. Just ignore those packages. xterm Size: 2.1 MiB icewm Size: 1012.2 KiB icewm-lite Size: 693.7 KiB If it(xterm) bothers you then you might opt to remove them from application menu. I also find that whenever gnome-terminal,tomboy and other gnome applications don't launch due to some "gconf" daemon issues, xterm does launch. #3: Neil Rickert (nrickert) (2013-03-05 17:22:44) "xterm" is very useful for launching a command in a terminal, as in (for example) xterm -e mutt & As far as I know, the installer runs under icewm. Or, at least, it has that appearance. This includes the final stages of install following the reboot. So I think "icewm-lite" is installed to provide a standard basic desktop, always available, that tools such as Yast can run under. + #4: Dominique Leuenberger (dimstar_suse) (2016-11-02 15:00:10) + * 'xterm' (/usr/bin/xterm) is a fallback terminal in many xdg-related + tools and must be present for them to reliably work. the xterm package + though was split to at least allow removal of the 'launcher' (desktop + file); 'xterm' is the launcher, xterm-bin what xdg-utils requiers + * icewm-default is currently recommended by the X11 pattern, which is + responsible for it to be installed in the end (it can be uninstalled) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314853