Feature changed by: Lee Matheson (oldcpu) Feature #308357, revision 9 Title: Replacement for Sax2 in 11.3 openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tara Ikeda (taraikeda) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: We need a replacement for sax2 in 11.3, as a safety measure for when auto configuration fails to detect certain monitors/keyboards/mice. Relying on the Desktop Environment for this is not the best idea, as some DE's or window managers dont provide config tools for what you might need to work. So I propose instead of relying on xrandr, Hal, devicekit or whatever there should be a GUI to configure graphics cards, mice, and keyboards without depending on the DE or a WM to provide a tool for the end user. I mention this as I have had KDE 4 fail to detect my resolutions and sometimes keyboard, luckily SAX2 is there to aid me but if its going the way of the dodo then I propose a relacement tool so that the end user wont have to make a xorg.conf and spend some time setting it up. It takes skill to make edits to a xorg.conf file and one can easily mess it up So having a helpful GUI tool is needed sometimes. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Because of new users mainly, because we dont want them to install openSUSE and have it fail to detect their proper monitor resolution and default to a much smaller one. The goal here is ease of use, but also to have a a safety net just in case. With openSUSE being more geared toward KDE a tool like Sax2 becomes even more needed. KDE4's monitor detection tool sucks, its always given me headaches in Ubuntu, in Mandriva, in many other KDE4 distros. It has no feature to remember monitor settings, nor does it do a good job with enabling my resolution. But i am not doing this just for me, many others have issues with KDE4's monitor tool Discussion: #1: Bernhard Wiedemann (bmwiedemann) (2009-12-03 17:23:48) maybe XFdrake or drakx11 from mandrake would be an alternative. Also a big reason for keeping SaX2 or a similar tool is that by default no xorg.conf is generated, so that it is even harder to generate a working one from scratch. #2: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 13:41:04) I doubt anything will be done - if tools like sax2 go, there is hardly any room for another ('cause otherwise one could have kept sax2). You can still download sax2 from its project page. #3: Shekhar Neupane (wildnux) (2009-12-09 09:15:42) users like me will be very happy if we don't have to search tools to configure our keyboard, mouse or monitors. I am using dell inspiron e1705 and wanted to configure my synaptics touchpad through kde4, but it messed it up more. so i had to revert back to the default. I would love to have sax or any tool do that in OS level rather than WM level. #4: Chris Cox (cjcox) (2010-02-24 18:29:27) xorg gets it WRONG a lot. A whole LOT. Autodetection simply cannot detect everything and certainly doesn't allow the user the ability to demand something on purpose. I'd like to see sax2 continue... or at least something similar. It's impossible for xorg to scan the brain of the user IMHO to figure out what is "right". + #5: Lee Matheson (oldcpu) (2010-06-11 15:16:37) + As an interim work around (to help openSUSE forum users) duing the the + transition from no sax2 to a better Xorg automatic configuration I + started a forum guide here: http://forums.opensuse.org/information-new-users/advanced-how-faq-read-only/... + (http://forums.opensuse.org/information-new-users/advanced-how-faq-read-only/...) . + But its inadequate, and a "wiki" is needed, and NOT a forum guide. I + also raised a bug report here (suggesting a wiki as a work around + solution) and I was assigned the action of doing so here: + https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237) . ... + The idea of mine is NOT to replace any openFATE idea, but at least provide + an interim solution for users until the way forward becomes more + clear. Things are advancing very fast in the Graphical area for Linux + and its hard to stay up to date. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308357