Feature changed by: Denny Beyer (lumnis) Feature #309007, revision 18 Title: Add more scientific packages Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Right now, openSUSE have quite few "scientific packages". We have freemat on Education, xmgrace ... and a few more. But, for example, octave is only on Packman and SciDAVis is nowhere (for 11.2 at least). There are no packages for Scilab either, nor for PAW... Use Case: A physicist (or engineer) working on University that needs a good Linux distro for his/her work. Nowadays, even if openSUSE is more stable and reliable than fedora, the scientist will choose the later because its larger set of scientific packages. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: To give openSUSE more presence on universities and research centers at "final user" level. Now openSUSE and its derivatives are found in clusters to run simulations (I've seen some of them) with ad-hoc programs, or in supercomputers, but not in the office computer for the single researcher. With its focus on stability, openSUSE could be the perfect "sci distro" but the few "heavy duty" scientific packages available is against this. Discussion: #1: Luis Medinas (lmedinas) (2010-02-14 21:52:25) Octave is on Contrib that is my usecase but still i prefer to use Matlab instead. #2: Jones de Andrade (johannesrs) (2010-02-15 13:06:33) That's absolutelly a MUST one! We heavilly use openSuse at my University for Scientific Applications. On the other hand, unfortunatelly there is a lot of packages that are not available, or "poorly available" (explain later) in the repositories concerning that. At the moment, we use from 11.2 the following packages (everywhere in the repositories): ChemTool, Xdrawchem, Avogadro, Ghemical, Labplot, g3data, bkchem, wxmaxima, maxima, octave, qtoctave, gelemental, gabedit and kalzium. Programs we use that are unavailable at the repositories (easy installation/compilation thow): molden, gopenmol, maui, webmo (formely webmol) and molekel. Programs we used to use but don't use anymore because they are too hard to compile and unavailable in the repos: SciDavis and qtiplot. Programs poorly avialable: openmpi, mpich: They are available, but they are not easily usable. I say that because me and coleagues had a hard time in the past trying to link programas with the version of those libraries that come with opensuse, because it seemed to be too scatered around. We ended up installing them from the producers in well known directories, and no problems anymore. fftw: same problem as above, solved in the very same way. gromacs: the compilation provided is ok, but... no mpi, no double + single precision executables? I would suggest two new packages: gromacs- omp and gromacs-mpich. torque: choosen the same approach since it's of critical use. Not sure if it douldn't be simply installed, thow. atiplot: already mentioned before, but in reality the package avialble for opensuse 11.2 in a repo is a joke. It has the whole qtiplot, *except*... the executables! :p Programs that I do not know if they can be provided: gamess-us, firefly, nwchem, namd, vmd, lammps, autodock, autodock-tools, amber- tools, (all available for free, but need subscription to download most of them, and none is gpl). As you can see, I'm clearly chemistry (and cluster) biased. I'm certain that other fields of research would easilly have other suggestions! And I probably missed something! Seem that there is a LOT of room for improvement here! ;) Don't get me wrong, openSuse is already MARVOLOUS, including for scientific applications... But there is a lot of things here that can be improved. ;) #3: Hubert Stassen (drgullit) (2010-02-18 14:51:18) (reply to #2) johannesrs presented a very nice wishlist ... That would be an almost complete software repositiry for the computational chemistry/biology/physics communities. #4: Vojtech Zeisek (vojtaeus) (2010-02-18 17:06:01) I'm biologist. Practicaly no program for biology (for science, not for any playing or education; especially phylogeny, where I have the most expereince) is available for openSUSE. When user is lucky, the needed program is written in Java, but most of them must be compiled (but there are EXE files for Windows and sometimes DEB packages), what is not very comfortable, and for average user impossible. We do not have neither so basic paskages as latest version of Rkward (the best available GUI for R) for 11.2. So openSUSE is often refused, because "it does not contain needed software"... :-( #5: Jones de Andrade (johannesrs) (2010-02-18 17:39:43) (reply to #4) Hi vojtaeus! Thanks for the contribution! Would you please provide this thread with a list of more important scientific softwares/packages for use of biologists? I knew since the begining that my list would be chemistry biased, and from your post I'm suposing that opensuse can consider including a lot extra packages than only rkward (which I looked into its homepage and, by the look of the screenshots, I have to admit, for a non-biologist that seems powerfull!). So, a "wishlist", as drgullit called mine suggestions, would be very nice. ;) #8: Vojtech Zeisek (vojtaeus) (2010-02-19 18:10:29) (reply to #5) Here is short incomplete list of packages I would like to see in openSUSE. If I find more, I'll add them. :-) Some of theim might be somewhere in OBS, but it is not very likely. ClustalX (basic tool to align DNA and protein sequences): http://bips.u-strasbg.fr/fr/Documentation/ClustalX/ MEGA4 (it is packaged as RPM using Wine and some other strange components, but it is very good tool ro make phylogenetic trees) http://www.megasoftware.net/ Artemis (viewer and annotation tool to manage sequences) http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Software/Artemis/ Biopython (library) http://biopython.org/ Bioperl (library) http://bioperl.org/ Molecular suite EMBOSS http://emboss.sourceforge.net/ You can find some onformation on http://www.open-bio.org/ KBibTeX (IMHO the best manager for BibTeX database) http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~fischer/kbibtex/ http://home.gna.org/kbibtex/ PerlPrimer (tool to dessign primers and PCR): http://perlprimer.sourceforge.net/ MrBayes (construction of phylogenetic trees based on Bayesian algorithm) http://mrbayes.csit.fsu.edu/ BAPS (another Bayesian computing) http://web.abo.fi/fak/mnf//mate/jc/software/baps.html ARB (the best tool to work with rRNA) http://www.arb-home.de/ MSA (analyzis of microsatellite data) http://i122server.vu-wien.ac.at/MSA/MSA_download.html Splitstree and another software for work with molecular genetic data from http://www-ab.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/software Structure (Bayesian calculations of population data) and another software from http://pritch.bsd.uchicago.edu/software.html Software (mostly to work with data from Structure) from http://rosenberglab.bioinformatics.med.umich.edu/software.html AFLPdat (to analyze AFLP data) and another software from http://www.etoology.net/index.php/software.html R packages (there should be special OBS repo for it) TCS (estimation of phylogenetic networks) http://darwin.uvige.es/software/tcs.html BEAST (Bayesian MCMC analysis) http://beast.bio.ed.ac.uk/ Mesquite (evolutionary analysis) http://mesquiteproject.org/ Search for keywords like molecular, biology etc. within Debian packages and You will find much more... ;-) There are also programs running under Wine (I do not like this way, but it more or less, with some effort, works), see for example Bioedit (very good tool to edit sequence alignment) http://www.wine-reviews.net/applications/bioedit-biological-sequence-alignme... I think it is enough for now. :-) #6: Jens Staal (staalmannen) (2010-02-18 18:10:34) Some molecular biology related packages that would be nice: UGene (http://ugene.unipro.ru/) GENtle (http://sourceforge.net/projects/gentle-m/) R and graphical front-end to R ImageJ various NCBI software (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/guide/data-software/) especially Cn3D and if possible automatically set up the installer so that it works in the browser. (I do not know the licencing of those though) And for scientific writing: Bibus (Endnote-replacement with PubMed integration) Apart from all those things, there are tons of development projects within bioinformatics (bioruby, biopython bioperl etc) I suppose those would also be nice to have available even if I am not competent enough to use them :( #7: Jones de Andrade (johannesrs) (2010-02-18 18:40:15) (reply to #6) Good list, staalmannen! With that, I think we now here have a good proposal of the basic needs from both Chemistry and Biology users. Thanks for recording the Bibus software! I don't know how I could forget that one, and while the bibliografic reference options from openoffice it self (that are being announced for some time now) does not becomes a reality, that is the best option. It should already be included in the main prodution for a while, and also deserved even an openfate request for itself! #11: Todd R (theblackcat) (2010-03-09 20:48:55) (reply to #6) There is already an idea specifically about Bibus: https://features.opensuse.org/308261 + #12: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-18 12:40:46) (reply to #6) + Bibus is not bad - there are others around. Have you tried zotero www. + zotero.org ? #9: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-02-21 17:28:00) Scilab is on Education now (not the last version, though), but there are a lot of packages still missing. #10: Todd R (theblackcat) (2010-03-09 20:48:31) Sage, a general python-based computer algebra system, should also be provided ( http://www.sagemath.org/). (http://www.sagemath.org/%29.%C2% A0) This is especially true since the new KDE 4 advanced mathematics software front-end Cantor, which ships as part of the KDE edu project, supports it. See https://features.opensuse.org/308459 (308459) for this specifically. Another very useful one is Neuron, a very popular neuron-modelling program. I personally know many people using this, it is probably the single most common tool for modelling neurons: http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/ (http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/) Another is AUTO, an very popular tool for ninlinear dynamics and differential equations. I have seen this used in several classes of mine, it is an important tool with a very long history: http://sourceforge.net/projects/auto-07p/files/auto07p/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/auto-07p/files/auto07p/) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/309007