Feature changed by: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) Feature #310327, revision 14 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case. I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE. I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now. The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS). The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build. + #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) + I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no + problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the + desktop. + I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the + next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if + they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the + repository system (that includes me). :) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327