Feature changed by: Flan Suse (flansuse) Feature #312999, revision 8 Title: Some easy way (one click) to switch off Akonadi + Nepomuk + Strigi openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Krasimir Ivanov (kivanov) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Please help us - the users, who decide to use in the real business the Linux PIM management. Please make possible for us to choose - will we use the Semantic Desktop or just would like to switch it off for some reason. Since years the idea of so called Semantic Desktop is taking huge time and efforts but results still are unappealing. I admit the work of the developers and any one should be thankful for their efforts in making KDE the best free desktop ever. But... please give some chance to users to choose what they need and prefer. Use Case: Ideally we need one additional item in Kickoff -> System Settings. Now there is available the item 'Desktop Search (Nepomuk/Strigi)'. May be some button to make possible to switch on or off the Semantic Desktop will do the job? Or please provide in the already available item 'Desktop Search (Nepomuk/Strigi)' a software button or any other easy visible tool to switch off or on all this Semantic Desktop components. Please possibly change the related software to be capable to work with or without all this Semantic Desktop technology. Let make possible for the end users to decide whet they need - a Desktop with or without this Semantic Desktop technology. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Since years this Semantic Desktop experiment still can not provide enough good results to use in the real business life. Now with the openSUSE 12 thanks to Akonadi + Nepomuk + Strigi the elegance and speed of the Linux Desktop is gone and we have some Desktop like Windows. This is because most of the hardware potential is used just for internal processes of the Semantic Desktop. This way the Desktop is getting slow and unresponiive, the HDD is running mostly all the time, a lot of RAM and HDD is used, and now KMail get buggy slow, etc ... Let users can have one unbroken PIM Management for their real life until the Semantic Desktop can provide the needed experience. Let those who prefer the Semantic Desktop in its current condition can use it as he needs. Discussion: #1: Hendrik van Hees (vanhees71) (2011-11-27 14:25:50) I couldn't agree more! Semantic desktop is something I do not need, and I don't know any of my colleagues who needs or uses it, and in my environment (theoretcial physics) nearly everybody uses Linux/Unix! I'm fully productive with locate concerning looking for files, when I forgot, where I've saved one before. Even when not using the semantic desktop by switching off strigi, akonadi always started some business, blocking memory, CPU, and (the least issue) disk space, and this although I've switched off as much akonadi services as possible in the desktop configuration tool. That's why I deinstalled as much of akonadi as I could without violating depencies and the functionality of my kde4 desktop, which without akonadi is a great desktop with a high efficiency and a high level of configurability for the user. It's really a pity that perhaps putatively new Linux users come to the conclusion that kde is not better than Windows concerning responsiveness and efficiency and then perhaps they don't use Linux for that reason. In addition after a very long time, I switched from kmail, knode, and korganizer to thunderbird for all my PIM, just for the reason of making the system highly unstable and unusable for daily work. The most annoying thing is (was?) the instability of kaddressbook. Not only did I loose my data stored in there for years (under kde3) without any loss before all this akonadi stuff entered the same. In addition, the function to build groups for mailing to a specific list of people hasn't worked anymore. Now, I'm happy with thunderbird, and I'm not so sure whether I ever switch back to kde-pim. #2: Joseph Mitzen (duncreg) (2011-11-30 04:00:04) I haven't tried 12.1 yet, but in 11.4 you just need to go to KDE's Configuration tool and click on "Desktop search". There you can enable/disable both Nepomuk and Strigi with a single click each. You can also change the way they work to make them less intrusive. #3: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2011-11-30 08:36:10) (reply to #2) This holds true for 12.1 also. My understanding is that Akonadi is required for many parts of KDE - Knotes on up. But I tested it without the Nepomuk ans Strigi services running, and by itself, Akonadi is relatively lightweight. -A- + #4: Flan Suse (flansuse) (2011-11-30 16:17:33) (reply to #2) + "I haven't tried 12.1 yet, but in 11.4 you just need to go to KDE's + Configuration tool and click on "Desktop search". There you can + enable/disable both Nepomuk and Strigi with a single click each." + And yet Akonadi will still run in the background if there as an + application or widget that calls it, even without the user's knowledge. + This also caused the great annoyance for many users (as seen in a long + KDE bug report) about the nagging notifications from Akonadi that + "Nepomuk is not enabled!" KDE developers can't get it over the heads + that a lot of users don't use/like/need/want a "Semantic Desktop". The + truth hurts. + I agree. There should be a simple way to disable Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi + entirely . If the user loses some features in Kmail or some other + application/widget, then so be it. He chose the path of speed and + simplicity over features he never uses. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/312999