[opensuse-factory] Why was Factory lash delete request accepted after 22 minutes
What is happening in openSUSE Tomáš Chvátal has summarily made a delete request for openSUSE:Factory/lash which is developed in multimedia:libs and the following important packages depend on it: libhydrogen-core0 hydrogen vkeybd zynaddsubfx libfluidsynth1 The reasoning was that the python package requires python2 Why not remove the python sub package if this is really a problem. This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE. Dave Plater user plater plater@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:02, Dave Plater wrote:
This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Nothing new, that is for sure, and nobody felt itched enough to do anything about it (because sadly, it seems to boil down to "patches please [otherwise: off my lawn]" *all* the time). http://opensuse-factory.opensuse.narkive.com/23M3Jac4/the-languished-meaning... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/02/18 16:23, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:02, Dave Plater wrote:
This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Nothing new, that is for sure, and nobody felt itched enough to do anything about it (because sadly, it seems to boil down to "patches please [otherwise: off my lawn]" *all* the time).
http://opensuse-factory.opensuse.narkive.com/23M3Jac4/the-languished-meaning...
I've added myself as maintainer and bug owner. Normally there's warning of these things, where is the collaboration? Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:27, Dave Plater wrote:
On 15/02/18 16:23, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:02, Dave Plater wrote:
This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Nothing new, that is for sure, and nobody felt itched enough to do anything about it (because sadly, it seems to boil down to "patches please [otherwise: off my lawn]" *all* the time).
http://opensuse-factory.opensuse.narkive.com/23M3Jac4/the-languished-meaning...
I've added myself as maintainer and bug owner. Normally there's warning of these things, where is the collaboration?
It is conceivable that there was none of the usual yellow warning boxes in this case, presumably because "multimedia:libs/lash" was only to answer a "review" type subrequest and not make a "accept/decline" decision. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/02/18 16:35, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:27, Dave Plater wrote:
On 15/02/18 16:23, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2018-02-15 15:02, Dave Plater wrote:
This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Nothing new, that is for sure, and nobody felt itched enough to do anything about it (because sadly, it seems to boil down to "patches please [otherwise: off my lawn]" *all* the time).
http://opensuse-factory.opensuse.narkive.com/23M3Jac4/the-languished-meaning...
I've added myself as maintainer and bug owner. Normally there's warning of these things, where is the collaboration?
It is conceivable that there was none of the usual yellow warning boxes in this case, presumably because "multimedia:libs/lash" was only to answer a "review" type subrequest and not make a "accept/decline" decision.
I got the message but the review was already accepted. Shouldn't these messages be around for a couple of days? Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Plater píše v Čt 15. 02. 2018 v 16:02 +0200:
What is happening in openSUSE Tomáš Chvátal has summarily made a delete request for openSUSE:Factory/lash which is developed in multimedia:libs and the following important packages depend on it: libhydrogen-core0 hydrogen vkeybd zynaddsubfx libfluidsynth1 The reasoning was that the python package requires python2 Why not remove the python sub package if this is really a problem. This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Dear Dave, It would be nice if bother to read and cite whole reason for the deleterequest. Main rationale for not fixing it is about the software being dead. I would say 9 years without commit warrant such action. Last the submission is not accepted it is pending all the tool reviews (like nothing will be depending on it anymore). The same could be said about your complaints of me overriding you on your packages, I checked and you are mostly set as bugowner only, that is not detected by webui so there is no way for one to see it. Also the only point where I really overrode you in last months is: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/538335 Where you started complaining right away even if it was fast-fix just to get the TW version building again after scons switched to python3. And lastly your action where you currently removed me right away from the members of both multimedia:apps and multimeda:libs show to me you really don't give much of a *censored*... Tom
Main rationale for not fixing it is about the software being dead. I would say 9 years without commit warrant such action. Last the submission is not accepted it is pending all the tool reviews (like nothing will be depending on it anymore). So when did packages that work but don't release new versions every week become obsolete. If someone had mentioned the problem on this list, it could have been discussed but I suspect that you didn't even look at the dependent
On 15/02/18 16:25, Tomas Chvatal wrote: packages and if you did were you planning on issuing delete requests for them too? Where is the collaboration? Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 15. Februar 2018, 15:33:51 CET schrieb Dave Plater:
every week
Typo: Every 9 years you mean, I guess. :-) -- Markus Feilner Team Lead Documentation P.S.: I moved - new home address: Wöhrdstraße 10, 93059 Regensburg - - - _This incident will be documented._ - - - +49 173 5876 838 (also via Signal), privat: +49 170 302 7092 mfeilner@suse.[com|de] http://www.suse.com G+: https://plus.google.com/+MarkusFeilner Xing: http://www.xing.com/profile/Markus_Feilner LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markusfeilner #mfeilner: Jabber, Skype, Twitter openSUSE: http://www.opensuse.org - - - SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/02/18 16:41, Markus Feilner wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 15. Februar 2018, 15:33:51 CET schrieb Dave Plater:
every week
Typo: Every 9 years you mean, I guess. :-)
There's actually a newer version. Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Plater píše v Čt 15. 02. 2018 v 16:33 +0200:
On 15/02/18 16:25, Tomas Chvatal wrote:
Main rationale for not fixing it is about the software being dead. I would say 9 years without commit warrant such action. Last the submission is not accepted it is pending all the tool reviews (like nothing will be depending on it anymore).
So when did packages that work but don't release new versions every week become obsolete. If someone had mentioned the problem on this list, it could have been discussed but I suspect that you didn't even look at the dependent packages and if you did were you planning on issuing delete requests for them too? Where is the collaboration?
No, if package didn't have release in years and there are patches and both buidlsystem and optional deps use something we want to deprecate it kinda makes sense either for openSUSE to become upstream or to drop it, this in my opinion does not seem like the case where we should become upstream... I planned to fix all the deps and send sr#s removing lasha-devel where possible and patching the stuff, it is 4 packages, quite easy to test... After fluidsynth gets merged the others are just leaf packages so even whatdependson won't look so freaky mentioning 3 packages. Also I still find your blind removal of me problematic if you disagree with me. You could've sent an email and first discuss it you know...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:25:22 +0100, Tomas Chvatal wrote:
Dave Plater píše v Čt 15. 02. 2018 v 16:02 +0200:
What is happening in openSUSE Tomáš Chvátal has summarily made a delete request for openSUSE:Factory/lash which is developed in multimedia:libs and the following important packages depend on it: libhydrogen-core0 hydrogen vkeybd zynaddsubfx libfluidsynth1 The reasoning was that the python package requires python2 Why not remove the python sub package if this is really a problem. This man is an openSUSE board member who seems to think that he maintains multimedia:libs on his own. This is gross incompetence. The maintainer who accepted it hardly contributes at all as well. He also regularly overrides my packages where I'm marked as maintainer. What is happening to openSUSE.
Dear Dave,
It would be nice if bother to read and cite whole reason for the deleterequest. Main rationale for not fixing it is about the software being dead. I would say 9 years without commit warrant such action. Last the submission is not accepted it is pending all the tool reviews (like nothing will be depending on it anymore).
IMO, the lack of the development commit shouldn't be taken as the sole flag for deleting a package. The top-most important question is rather whether there is any real users of it. In this particular case, though, my gut feeling agrees with you: the removal of lash and fixing other packages would be likely a happy end. But, such a judgment needs deep consideration, and it wouldn't have been bad to post on ML. thanks, Takashi
The same could be said about your complaints of me overriding you on your packages, I checked and you are mostly set as bugowner only, that is not detected by webui so there is no way for one to see it.
Also the only point where I really overrode you in last months is: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/538335 Where you started complaining right away even if it was fast-fix just to get the TW version building again after scons switched to python3.
And lastly your action where you currently removed me right away from the members of both multimedia:apps and multimeda:libs show to me you really don't give much of a *censored*...
Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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