[opensuse-factory] yast printer module
Hello, I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten. I hope it's not the case or the Leap one is not this, because it's a big mess. I have two printer, one HP, the other Brother. I first tried YaST. Installed the HP (usb) printer without problem. I couldn't install the Brother (network) printer because the necessary ppd file was not present. Not a big deal, I downloaded the Brother installer. The result was the Brother printer installed as hp printer... with the same connection as the HP printer, so that any print targeting the Brother printer was printed (sort of) by the HP one!! This may not be YaST fault. But in Yast I couldn't fix the problem. Impossible to remove a wrong line in the "edit" part of the yast module, I could only add lines. When asked to enter an URI, I tried 192.168.0.17 (the printer IP), refused (->incorrect URI), 192.168.0.17:9100 refused. I tried to remove the two printers in the first YaST windows, but this didn't remove the faulty lines in the "edit" windows. Thanksfully I could add my two printers in a snap with cups original interface. May be the only problem is the lack of examples (the cups pages gives thee examples - the best for the Brother printer is "socket://192.168.0.17:9100" and this is for years). The ppd was added by the Brother installer. But there should definitely be some way (obvious way) to remove bad lines in the editor. In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631. sorry... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/07/2016 04:21 PM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
Not at all. It's in fact one of the YaST modules receiving less maintenance (if any).
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In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
If nobody steps up for maintaining it, that could happen. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 7.1.2016 16:28, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 01/07/2016 04:21 PM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
Not at all. It's in fact one of the YaST modules receiving less maintenance (if any).
I can't imagine we could actually rewrite it easily, there is so much code and especially exceptions and additions for particular printers that's it's nearly impossible.
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In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
If nobody steps up for maintaining it, that could happen.
I'm afraid that the above might happen. There's no simple generic way how to configure a printer and this Yast module needs a real expertise and passion and a lot of time. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/01/2016 16:28, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 01/07/2016 04:21 PM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
Not at all. It's in fact one of the YaST modules receiving less maintenance (if any).
[...strip...]
In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
If nobody steps up for maintaining it, that could happen.
I can help testing, but not writing the module. I think we should remove this module - but may be not entirely: * hp works (but we have hplip) * usb printers seems to work (automagically :-) so may be only for network printers? is it worth opening a bugzilla or to https://features.opensuse.org/ ? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Jan 7 16:49 jdd wrote (excerpt):
Le 07/01/2016 16:28, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa a écrit :
On 01/07/2016 04:21 PM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
Not at all. It's in fact one of the YaST modules receiving less maintenance (if any).
[...strip...]
In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
If nobody steps up for maintaining it, that could happen.
...
is it worth opening a bugzilla or to https://features.opensuse.org/ ?
https://features.opensuse.org/308045 http://lists.opensuse.org/yast-devel/2015-03/msg00044.html https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951817#c4 FYI: https://features.opensuse.org/316789 and the links therein. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg)
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:28:02 +0100
Ancor Gonzalez Sosa
On 01/07/2016 04:21 PM, jdd wrote:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
Not at all. It's in fact one of the YaST modules receiving less maintenance (if any).
[...strip...]
In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
If nobody steps up for maintaining it, that could happen.
Cheers.
Please retain at least some of the content when replying so we know what you're replying to. Thanks, Tom -- When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. - Anonymous ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 740 T/PCIe/ 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 42.0, claws-mail 3.11 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd [07.01.2016 16:21]:
Hello,
I had somewhere in my mind than the printer module of YaST had been rewritten.
I hope it's not the case or the Leap one is not this, because it's a big mess.
[...]
In fact I think this module is bad for so many years it should be removed and simply do a link to localhost:631.
sorry...
Well, that's exactly why I configure Printers via CUPS directly for years now. CUPS is the backend, and it has its own GUI. The YaST printer module was very useful in the old days, when lpd (which had no config help other than the man page) was used, but nowadays it's quite superfluous, I think. Werner --
# rpm -qa | grep cups cups-1.7.5-5.6.x86_64 cups-client-1.7.5-5.6.x86_64 cups-libs-1.7.5-5.6.x86_64 hl5470dwcupswrapper-3.0.0-1.i386 Werner Flamme composed on 2016-01-07 16:48 (UTC+0100):
I hope it's not the case or the Leap one is not this, because it's a big mess.
This machine is on 42.1. I configured my Brother IP printer using YaST2 without incident, as I had with 13.1. Today I tried to do the same thing, exactly, but on a different machine, also 42.1, but with Plasma5 instead of KDE3. Everything seems to go normally, but nothing happens trying to print a test page.
Well, that's exactly why I configure Printers via CUPS directly for years now. CUPS is the backend, and it has its own GUI. The YaST printer module was very useful in the old days, when lpd (which had no config help other than the man page) was used, but nowadays it's quite superfluous, I think.
So, I deleted the printer in YaST2, and tried to use CUPS to add a printer. In the KDE menu there are two menu options for CUPS, both labeled "Manage Printing", but both generate "KDEInit could no launch 'deskop-launch': Cannot load library /usr/lib64/libkdeinit5_desktop-launch.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." How does one use cups to add a printer in Plasma 5? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Le 07/01/2016 21:47, Felix Miata a écrit :
This machine is on 42.1. I configured my Brother IP printer using YaST2 without incident
the mess was probably coming from the previous hp install (the printer adress was copied from this first install)
How does one use cups to add a printer in Plasma 5?
as I said in my post: localhost:631 in any browser jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-07 21:54 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
This machine is on 42.1. I configured my Brother IP printer using YaST2 without incident
the mess was probably coming from the previous hp install (the printer adress was copied from this first install)
How does one use cups to add a printer in Plasma 5?
as I said in my post: localhost:631 in any browser
Sorry for not being clear. I meant doing so in same fashion as most people use Plasma 5, from a starter menu selection. IOW: How does one use cups to add a printer from a Plasma 5 menu selection? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Felix Miata
jdd composed on 2016-01-07 21:54 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
This machine is on 42.1. I configured my Brother IP printer using YaST2 without incident
the mess was probably coming from the previous hp install (the printer adress was copied from this first install)
How does one use cups to add a printer in Plasma 5?
as I said in my post: localhost:631 in any browser
Sorry for not being clear. I meant doing so in same fashion as most people use Plasma 5, from a starter menu selection. IOW: How does one use cups to add a printer from a Plasma 5 menu selection?
did you try: systemsettings5 -> printers re: Configure Desktop -> printers -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2016-01-07 16:16 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata composed:
jdd composed on 2016-01-07 21:54 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
This machine is on 42.1. I configured my Brother IP printer using YaST2 without incident
the mess was probably coming from the previous hp install (the printer adress was copied from this first install)
How does one use cups to add a printer in Plasma 5?
as I said in my post: localhost:631 in any browser
Sorry for not being clear. I meant doing so in same fashion as most people use Plasma 5, from a starter menu selection. IOW: How does one use cups to add a printer from a Plasma 5 menu selection?
did you try: systemsettings5 -> printers
As far back as I can remember I always got YaST2 to do it, so didn't even think to look there.
re: Configure Desktop -> printers
I switched to a different machine to try, and TW instead of 42.1, plasma5-workspace-5.5.2-1.1.x86_64. System Settings menu has no printer selection to try. It has in hardware: input devices display and monitor multimedia power management device actions removable devices So I tried localhost:631. It claimed to have created my printer, but print test page fails with simply: "Print Test Page <name> Error. Unable to print test page: No such file or directory" -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
* Felix Miata
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2016-01-07 16:16 (UTC-0500): [...]
did you try: systemsettings5 -> printers
As far back as I can remember I always got YaST2 to do it, so didn't even think to look there.
re: Configure Desktop -> printers
I switched to a different machine to try, and TW instead of 42.1, plasma5-workspace-5.5.2-1.1.x86_64. System Settings menu has no printer selection to try. It has in hardware: input devices display and monitor multimedia power management device actions removable devices
So I tried localhost:631. It claimed to have created my printer, but print test page fails with simply: "Print Test Page <name> Error. Unable to print test page: No such file or directory"
Appears you put your end-of-msg and sig a little early.... (or maybe that is an attachment that didin't *attach* correctly in your client). these lines may give you some guidance:
D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] Unable to auto-configure PostScript Printer - no bidirectional I/O available! D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] PID 17905 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/commandtops) stopped with status 1. D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more. D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] PID 17906 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) exited with no errors.
do you have the correct ppd file? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2016-01-07 16:56 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata composed:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2016-01-07 16:16 (UTC-0500):
did you try: systemsettings5 -> printers
As far back as I can remember I always got YaST2 to do it, so didn't even think to look there.
re: Configure Desktop -> printers
I switched to a different machine to try, and TW instead of 42.1, plasma5-workspace-5.5.2-1.1.x86_64. System Settings menu has no printer selection to try. It has in hardware: input devices display and monitor multimedia power management device actions removable devices
So I tried localhost:631. It claimed to have created my printer, but print test page fails with simply: "Print Test Page <name> Error. Unable to print test page: No such file or directory"
Appears you put your end-of-msg and sig a little early.... (or maybe that is an attachment that didin't *attach* correctly in your client).
My copy's attachment looks exactly right. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-01/msg00106.html does too.
these lines may give you some guidance:
D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] Unable to auto-configure PostScript Printer - no bidirectional I/O available! D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] PID 17905 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/commandtops) stopped with status 1. D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more. D [07/Jan/2016:16:23:43 -0500] [Job 3] PID 17906 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) exited with no errors.
No luck finding me anything helpful.
do you have the correct ppd file?
There is only one, in /opt/brother/Printers, with symlinks in /usr/share/cups/model/ and /usr/shre/ppd/brother/. To somewhat reiterate the problem, then describe events of the day: 1-I installed 42.1 two weeks ago on this machine, including Brother's cupswrapper and lpr driver rpms for my printer, successfully and without incident (instructions on http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/before.html?c=us_ot and http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn1a.html?c=us_ot and http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn3.html?c=us_ot via http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/index.html?c=us_ot ) then set it up successfully via YaST2 printer module, printing the YaST2 test page and multiple pages from various apps. 2-Tuesday I encountered trouble printing one particular web page with 6 different Gecko browsers, but not with Firefox 10 or Konq3. This turned out to be an apparent problem with (my bank's bill pay) report page intended for printing, which I reported by email and phone to my bank's web support department. 3-Earlier today when my bank responded with instructions via email, I followed those I hadn't already done. 4-I then attempted to verify the problem isn't limited to this PC by trying to print the same page on another PC, host hpg33. My first try was to have been on one running 42.1, but the YaST2 printer driver installation process wasn't resulting in ability to print a test page. I confirmed printer functionality by printing from this 42.1 host, msi85. 5-Next I tried on a third PC, host gx745, this time with Tumbleweed/Plasma and 13.2/KDE4. The YaST2 test page failures repeated, so I deleted those, then created one via localhost;631. It claimed to succeed, but test page print again failed. I deleted that one too, then tried installing via Brother's installation shell script. It too failed at the test page step. At various times I confirmed printer still works by printing from this 42.1 PC. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Print/BR5470/vtcap.txt is a screen dump from running the script. 6-Pain in my back like never before experienced began, interfering with thought processes and thus inhibiting progress finding the problem. 7-I tried on a fourth PC, host gx62b, again TW and K5. Nothing different. Test page failed. Again I reconfirmed ability to print on this 42.1 PC. 8-I returned to 42.1/K5 host hpg33, tried a couple of times again to create via YaST2 printer, without improvement, so I exited Plasma, and used zypper to remove *cups* packages, which also uninstalled ghost*, 5470 printer rpms, and most of K5. 9-I restored OEM versions of zypp.conf and and zypper.conf, then zypper installed every *cups* and ghost* rpm that I found installed on this PC. That installed packages that hadn't previously been installed. 10-Before reinstalling K5 with zypper, I restored my edited zypp.conf and zypper.conf (disabling recommends/suggests). I followed up installing K5 by again installing the 5470 rpms. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Print/BR5470/cupspkgs-hpg33-os421d.txt lists the currently installed print (AFAIK) related packages. 11-After perusing https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS/Troubleshooting I set debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, then rebooted 42.1. 12-Configuring printer via YaST2 again wouldn't print a test page, so deleted that one and tried one with localhost:631. On completion, CUPS reports state stopped "filter failed", even though I didn't find any button to push to ask for a test page. Reprint button doesn't cause printer activity. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Print/BR5470/cups-accesslog-hpg33-os421f.txt Scattered among the above steps were excursions to Google looking for what to do about various error messages, starting with those quoted by Patrick. Another was 'Bad driver information file "/usr/share/cups/drv/..', so I compared those two files between this machine and hpg33, and found identical timestamps and file sizes. Nevertheless, I stopped cups, then copied those two files from this machine to hpg33, then rebooted,, reloaded localhost:631, asked for a test page, and again got nothing from the printer, with latest job showing as having been completed. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Print/BR5470/cups-errorlogdebug-hpg33-os421g.t... indicates no "E" errors occurred. During the setups, the IP connection test always succeeds. Host hpg33 can ping the printer successfully too. http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Print/BR5470/ has many logs accumulated, mostly from host hpg33, split into mutiple files corresponding roughly to different boots. noteworthy is its cups page_log dates back to installation of the first cups packages, and remains 0 bytes. NAICT, the access_logs all indicate nothing but apparent successes. If it wasn't for this machine able to print, I would have to think there's a bug here somewhere causing a failure to print without any log indicating that printing did not occur. But I suspect if there is a bug, it's a missing package that should be a dependency but isn't. My head's swimming in confusion, frustration, and back pain, after around 15 hours buried in this. Can anyone see in any of those logs what I need to do to get any 13.2, 42.1 or TW installation besides this one to print anything? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/01/2016 22:07, Felix Miata a écrit :
How does one use cups to add a printer from a Plasma 5 menu selection?
system config / printer looks like it's only a cups interface seems to work at home, but I didn't try completely (I don't want to broke my config!) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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