On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:43, Richard Bos wrote:

Hi James,

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:13:57PM -0500, James Tremblay wrote:

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Mr. Bos,

call me Richard please.

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I was wondering how things were going with 10.3 and LTSP5?

Bad. That's not because suse does not work on it. I investigated some things about what is it 2 weeks ago, and my conclusion is that ltsp5 is just not ready. It's even worse it is not even available! By that I mean, they (ltsp involved developers) can not point to the software, that we should use..... Nor is there a lot of documentation available. SOme docu has been made after I asked some questions....

My advice to suse would be to not pick up ltsp5 for suse-10.3! Yes, you read that correctly: my advice to suse is indeed negative.

I'm sorry to say this, but that's the way it is. BTW a good altenative may be http://www.openslx.org. As that will allow for wireless clients and as well as bandwidtyh requiring apps like google earth, voip clients, beryl and the like. The drawback is that it is all in German, but on the positive side it is already prepared to be integrated with suse.

Sorry, for the confusion message....

Richard, I hope that this doesn't mean an abandonment of the effort, as I see it if Ubuntu can build this in and is doing it at a developmental level i.e. making it work without the benefit of someone else doing all the hard lifting. Then our team should be able to not only duplicate Ubuntu's work, but best it. I have heard the complaint, about SUSE, that we take from the community more than we give. I for one see it the other way, and this could be a shinning example! I believe that if we do this and do it better than anybody else we can gain a lot of ground in the area of school adoption and therefor overall adoption. I read a lot of articles and group minutes concerning education and I can tell you that SUSE isn't in the conversation, this is because of all that RedHat has done to support K12LTSP and schools in general. I want to turn this around as fast as possible and adding LTSP5 to the distro would be a huge first step. The next step would be to beat out Ubuntu in it's efforts to take over from RedHat, which they are doing with LTSP5 and Edubuntu at a quick pace. If Mark Shuttlesworth can put together an effective support structure they will succeed. Articles like this: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server are everywhere . We need to include this and we need press about it being the easiest solution available. Novell has the support structure and the business power, what we need are the solutions. I think the plans I have laid out regarding the inclusion of educational administrative software will make it even more pallatable for schools. SuSE is IMHO the best , what it needs is more compelling reasons to use it! Sorry about the soapbox. I am just getting tired of hearing "why are you on SUSE we are all on k12LTSP and the SME-esmith server, it's so easy to use." I have a school district less than 5 miles from my office that hosts http://k12opensource.org/software.html do they even mention Novell or OpenSUSE? No! They are also responsible for educating other school district's in my state by providing the "professional development" for our area.Which means they teach the installation and configuration of these products. They get their lead from a guy named David Trask who is teaching these products all over New England. We can do better! With LTSP5, Centre, Moodle, OpenBiblio we can make OpenSUSE the distribution of choice for Schools worldwide! Please reconsider your recommendation and help further this cause, James --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org