[opensuse-factory] TW on Thinkpad R51 - how?
Hi everyone, I tried to install TW (snapshot 20161102) on one of my old laptops, an IBM Thinkpad R51. It has a Intel PentiumM processor, 32bit, 1 core, and 2 GiB RAM. When booting from the DVD, I can see the EDD check, then the screen becomes black and the laptop reboots. I tried several parameters, last combination was "edd=off nosmp nolapic noacpi nomodeset noefi" - but still rebooting. Some hints how I can get my old R51 to run Tumbleweed anyone? BTW, the laptop hasn't been touched for more than 3 years now and has a working installation of openSUSE 12.3 on it :). I just want to update... Thanks in advance! Werner --
* Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@ufz.de> [11-08-16 17:08]:
You say 32bit ??? I believe TW is now *only* 64bit.... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 2016-11-08 23:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Believing... is something you can do in church. 23:21 ares40:../factory/iso > cd /FX/opensuse/factory/iso/ 23:21 ares40:../factory/iso > l *i586* lrwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nobody 55 Nov 7 13:28 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Current.iso -> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso lrwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nobody 62 Nov 7 13:28 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Current.iso.sha256 -> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso.sha256 -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nobody 4173332480 Nov 6 21:17 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 17:12 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Your believes are misguided in this respect... Leap has been shipping 32-bit only since Leap 42.1 - for Tumbleweed, i586 is still being built and 'tested' (although: there are only VERY minimal and basic tests, like for exapole https://openqa.opensuse.org/t ests/301830 which shows that a Plasma session managed to start) All relevant ISO files are available at: http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/?P=*i586* Cheers, Dominique
Werner Flamme composed on 2016-11-08 23:07 (UTC+0100):
735 Dothan 0.09 μm (90 nm) process technology CPU (Introduced May 2004), not a Pentium-4M.
Some hints how I can get my old R51 to run Tumbleweed anyone?
BTW, the laptop hasn't been touched for more than 3 years now and has a working installation of openSUSE 12.3 on it :). I just want to update...
Lots of changes between 12.3's 3.7 kernel and TW's 4.8. https://www.cnet.com/products/thinkpad-r51/specs/ reports your TP as having Intel 855GME chipset and Graphics Processor Intel Extreme Graphics 2. It shares RAM between system and video. I'd try reseating the RAM, running memtest overnight, then if no memtest errors, try again without any special parameters, particularly without nomodeset. Intel video generally doesn't like nomodeset at all. IME it rarely needs it. If no joy, try adding splash=0 and removing quiet cmdline options to see more error messages. My GX260 Optiplex desktop is around a year older than your laptop, with 0.13 μm process technology Northwood A 2.4GHz 1 core 32 bit P4, 845G video, and 1G RAM shared between system and video. TW 20161105 installation reaches the license screen normally on it without any special startup parameters. Ditto Optiplex GX270 @2.4GHz and 865G video. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata [09.11.2016 01:44]:
According to <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R51>, it is a Celeron M or a Pentium M in Banias or Dothan architecture. Since I'm not at home, I can't look at the R51 to see the correct model (2887-something). But I am very sure it is not a Celeron CPU.
Obviously, yes.
The chipset is some kind of Intel Centrino, there's a sticker in front saying that ;)
Running without any parameters was my first attempt. And something like "nosplash" or "splash=native" is also a common attempt for me. And since 12.3 runs without problems, I do not think that there is a memory problem, but I started running memcheck before I wrote the mail, and this morning before going to work there were no errors shown. BTW, IIRC my R51 has an ATi graphics adapter, but again, I can't look at it now.
On my R51, I do not see much more than the line telling me EDD probing is done after the initial ramdisk is loaded from DVD (selecting "Install" or "Upgrade", then pressing "Enter" shows the "loading kernel" popup, the screen blanks, the EDD line shows, the screen blanks, R51 reboots). My T61 also needs no parameters, and so don't any of my other laptops ;) It was just an attempt, since I guessed that the TW kernel might have SMP active and the box has no SMP, having a single core without multithreading... Werner --
Werner Flamme composed on 2016-11-09 10:14 (UTC+0100):
BTW, IIRC my R51 has an ATi graphics adapter, but again, I can't look at it now.
I just tried an Optiplex GX270 P4 with AGP Radeon 7500 (rv200). Same success as with the GX260 and GX270. I wonder if your Pentium M is one that needs forcepae? from https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt : forcepae [X86-32] Forcefully enable Physical Address Extension (PAE). Many Pentium M systems disable PAE but may have a functionally usable PAE implementation. Warning: use of this parameter will taint the kernel and may cause unknown problems. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 8. November 2016, 23:07:06 schrieb Werner Flamme:
This very much sounds like https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1006417, at least judging from the symptoms. I would recommend to try a newer Tumbleweed snapshot, Kernel 4.8.6 with the fixes got released in 20161104. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer [09.11.2016 10:59]:
Yes, absolutely! This "Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... OK" you gave in Comment #20 is the last thing I see before the box reboots. The boot parameter edd=off just leads to not seeing the line, not to avoiding the reboot ;)
I would recommend to try a newer Tumbleweed snapshot, Kernel 4.8.6 with the fixes got released in 20161104.
Gnaaa :) I went to the store buying a blank DVD and now it is full with an unusable TW snapshot ;) I'll try a newer one, of course, since it's caused by a kernel problem that I cannot work around by providing a boot parameter.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
Thank you very much! Werner --
* Werner Flamme <werner.flamme@ufz.de> [11-08-16 17:08]:
You say 32bit ??? I believe TW is now *only* 64bit.... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 2016-11-08 23:12, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Believing... is something you can do in church. 23:21 ares40:../factory/iso > cd /FX/opensuse/factory/iso/ 23:21 ares40:../factory/iso > l *i586* lrwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nobody 55 Nov 7 13:28 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Current.iso -> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso lrwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nobody 62 Nov 7 13:28 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Current.iso.sha256 -> openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso.sha256 -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nobody 4173332480 Nov 6 21:17 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-i586-Snapshot20161105-Media.iso -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 17:12 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Your believes are misguided in this respect... Leap has been shipping 32-bit only since Leap 42.1 - for Tumbleweed, i586 is still being built and 'tested' (although: there are only VERY minimal and basic tests, like for exapole https://openqa.opensuse.org/t ests/301830 which shows that a Plasma session managed to start) All relevant ISO files are available at: http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/?P=*i586* Cheers, Dominique
Werner Flamme composed on 2016-11-08 23:07 (UTC+0100):
735 Dothan 0.09 μm (90 nm) process technology CPU (Introduced May 2004), not a Pentium-4M.
Some hints how I can get my old R51 to run Tumbleweed anyone?
BTW, the laptop hasn't been touched for more than 3 years now and has a working installation of openSUSE 12.3 on it :). I just want to update...
Lots of changes between 12.3's 3.7 kernel and TW's 4.8. https://www.cnet.com/products/thinkpad-r51/specs/ reports your TP as having Intel 855GME chipset and Graphics Processor Intel Extreme Graphics 2. It shares RAM between system and video. I'd try reseating the RAM, running memtest overnight, then if no memtest errors, try again without any special parameters, particularly without nomodeset. Intel video generally doesn't like nomodeset at all. IME it rarely needs it. If no joy, try adding splash=0 and removing quiet cmdline options to see more error messages. My GX260 Optiplex desktop is around a year older than your laptop, with 0.13 μm process technology Northwood A 2.4GHz 1 core 32 bit P4, 845G video, and 1G RAM shared between system and video. TW 20161105 installation reaches the license screen normally on it without any special startup parameters. Ditto Optiplex GX270 @2.4GHz and 865G video. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata [09.11.2016 01:44]:
According to <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R51>, it is a Celeron M or a Pentium M in Banias or Dothan architecture. Since I'm not at home, I can't look at the R51 to see the correct model (2887-something). But I am very sure it is not a Celeron CPU.
Obviously, yes.
The chipset is some kind of Intel Centrino, there's a sticker in front saying that ;)
Running without any parameters was my first attempt. And something like "nosplash" or "splash=native" is also a common attempt for me. And since 12.3 runs without problems, I do not think that there is a memory problem, but I started running memcheck before I wrote the mail, and this morning before going to work there were no errors shown. BTW, IIRC my R51 has an ATi graphics adapter, but again, I can't look at it now.
On my R51, I do not see much more than the line telling me EDD probing is done after the initial ramdisk is loaded from DVD (selecting "Install" or "Upgrade", then pressing "Enter" shows the "loading kernel" popup, the screen blanks, the EDD line shows, the screen blanks, R51 reboots). My T61 also needs no parameters, and so don't any of my other laptops ;) It was just an attempt, since I guessed that the TW kernel might have SMP active and the box has no SMP, having a single core without multithreading... Werner --
Werner Flamme composed on 2016-11-09 10:14 (UTC+0100):
BTW, IIRC my R51 has an ATi graphics adapter, but again, I can't look at it now.
I just tried an Optiplex GX270 P4 with AGP Radeon 7500 (rv200). Same success as with the GX260 and GX270. I wonder if your Pentium M is one that needs forcepae? from https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt : forcepae [X86-32] Forcefully enable Physical Address Extension (PAE). Many Pentium M systems disable PAE but may have a functionally usable PAE implementation. Warning: use of this parameter will taint the kernel and may cause unknown problems. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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