On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com> wrote:

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On 03/15/2011 09:52 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:12:55 -0400 Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com> wrote:

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Did you look at: "http://lwn.net/Articles/393144/"?

That article, especially the title, is just sensationalism.

Strange, I thought it was a look at the charges which focused mainly on the reality of the situation and concluded that no redesign was needed. When kernel developers are unhappy with what I write, I tend to hear about it; I got no such complaints from the Btrfs folks.

I don't know why Joerg saw fit to point it out; perhaps he didn't read past the headline?  How about this as an article more relevant to the discussion?

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Hi Jon -

I wondered if I'd hear from you about that comment. I'm an LWM subscriber and definitely have enjoyed reading your efforts over the years. My opinion on your original article mostly benefits from hindsight and was more of a reaction to the context in which Joerg was posting it. The report was an accurate summary of the discussions at the time and did help spawn the discussions that ultimately address those questions. Given that he linked to that article instead of the one you mentioned, I don't think it was his intention to point out that the issues had been addressed already.

Your recent article addresses most of the concerns I have with using btrfs as a default file system except for the lack of error handling. Community distributions run mostly on lower end commodity hardware which experience shows can be of less than perfect reliability. In most cases, btrfs's error handling currently consists of BUG_ON. With a fsck still under development, it seems premature to make that combination the default.

- -Jeff

- -- Jeff Mahoney

The grub2 issue in the linked article seems like a major roadblock. I think btrfs for boot/root be shelved from a openSUSE perspective until that is addressed. Is it an option to consider btrfs as the default filesystem for other partitions only? Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com> wrote:

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On 03/15/2011 09:52 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:12:55 -0400 Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com> wrote:

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Did you look at: "http://lwn.net/Articles/393144/"?

That article, especially the title, is just sensationalism.

Strange, I thought it was a look at the charges which focused mainly on the reality of the situation and concluded that no redesign was needed. When kernel developers are unhappy with what I write, I tend to hear about it; I got no such complaints from the Btrfs folks.

I don't know why Joerg saw fit to point it out; perhaps he didn't read past the headline?  How about this as an article more relevant to the discussion?

      http://lwn.net/Articles/429466/

Hi Jon -

I wondered if I'd hear from you about that comment. I'm an LWM subscriber and definitely have enjoyed reading your efforts over the years. My opinion on your original article mostly benefits from hindsight and was more of a reaction to the context in which Joerg was posting it. The report was an accurate summary of the discussions at the time and did help spawn the discussions that ultimately address those questions. Given that he linked to that article instead of the one you mentioned, I don't think it was his intention to point out that the issues had been addressed already.

Your recent article addresses most of the concerns I have with using btrfs as a default file system except for the lack of error handling. Community distributions run mostly on lower end commodity hardware which experience shows can be of less than perfect reliability. In most cases, btrfs's error handling currently consists of BUG_ON. With a fsck still under development, it seems premature to make that combination the default.

- -Jeff

- -- Jeff Mahoney

The grub2 issue in the linked article seems like a major roadblock. I think btrfs for boot/root be shelved from a openSUSE perspective until that is addressed. Is it an option to consider btrfs as the default filesystem for other partitions only? Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org