Can someone help me remove duplicate thread? It is here: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/Z...

Hi, Am Freitag, 31. März 2023, 13:47:08 CEST schrieb Masozz via openSUSE Factory:

Hello everyone,

I am [Hanjingxue](https://whiteboard-ui8.pages.dev/about/about-me/), and I have been using openSUSE for some time. I have one suggestions for openSUSE’s LiveCD file.

Like the Fedora community, changing the use scenario of Live ISO, so that the Live ISO file can be used for offline installation systems.

The application scenarios and original intentions of the DVD iso file (ie, openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_64-Current-Media.iso) are good. However, in order to cram in as many packages as possible, the entire ISO file is very large (about 4.3GB)

Yep, but also not enough. It contains multiple entire DEs and it's impossible to fit all requested packages on the DVD. The rolling nature of TW also means that it goes stale relatively quickly, so after performing an offline install you'd have to update half the system again. IMO the main usecase of the DVD is to allow installations without internet connection, like missing WiFi drivers or more if more complex network setup is needed. Setting up connectivity in the installed system is usually simpler.

So, some people recommend downloading LiveCD or net-install iso for streamlined installation. This is also a good proposal, but there are still shortcomings, that is, the Live iso file provided by openSUSE can really only preview the desktop environment and cannot be used for offline installation systems.

Although the online installation system can make the system in the latest state immediately after the installation is completed, and does not require additional adjustment of the software package. However, the above scenarios assume that the user has a good network connection. Once the network is congested, the network bandwidth is limited, or the connection quality of the downloaded mirror is not good, the experience of using live iso will decline rapidly.

You only have to install the system once, but you'll have to download updates regularly. If the network connection is so bad that installation is painful then keeping the system updated will not be fun either, especially with TW.

Users who experience a poor installation experience due to poor network quality may only choose to download the full ISO file (downloading such a large file is not a very easy task.) at this time. DVD iso is not only large in size, but also updated frequently (about five times a week). Not all files are necessary for users (for example, KDE users don’t need GNOME DE packages), but they are inevitably included in DVD iso files. Between the big DVD iso and the minimal net-install iso, openSUSE does not provide an iso file that is lenient about network quality, like Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-*.iso.

Therefore, I suggest that openSUSE should make some changes like fedora, so that the live iso file can be used for offline installation.

That was possible in the past, when the live installation worked differently. It was more like the Ubuntu approach which basically rsynced the live CD's root onto the installed system. This approach proved to be unworkable and was dropped. IMO it combines the disadvantages of using the DVD install with the disadvantages of the LiveCD itself. Cheers, Fabian