[opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation: * 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language) * 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it * 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media) * 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space) * a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version) * a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version) The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Friday 20 October 2006 11:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
I agree with all the others, but only partial with this one. I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD,
Andreas
Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hugo Costelha wrote:
On Friday 20 October 2006 11:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
I agree with all the others, but only partial with this one.
I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD,
Andreas
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Bittorrent or bitdrip as I call it penalises everyone, a very bad suggestion. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:38, Sid Boyce wrote:
Hugo Costelha wrote:
On Friday 20 October 2006 11:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
I agree with all the others, but only partial with this one.
I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD,
Andreas
Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bittorrent or bitdrip as I call it penalises everyone, a very bad suggestion.
Who would be penalized by this and how? Could you please elaborate on your repl The way it is now, there is no DVD during beta testing at all. And remember, I am only talking about the DVD during beta testing. Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hugo Costelha wrote:
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:38, Sid Boyce wrote:
Hugo Costelha wrote:
On Friday 20 October 2006 11:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
* 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or KDE (any language)
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space) I agree with all the others, but only partial with this one.
I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above mentioned DVD,
Andreas Hugo Costelha
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org Bittorrent or bitdrip as I call it penalises everyone, a very bad suggestion.
Who would be penalized by this and how? Could you please elaborate on your repl
The way it is now, there is no DVD during beta testing at all. And remember, I am only talking about the DVD during beta testing.
Hugo Costelha
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce:
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup.
It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of protocols either. It's a simple matter of how many people seed, their allowed upload bandwidth and their share ratio. If many people seed bittorrent can potentially be a lot faster than ftp and with a lot less load on the mirrors. In the current state of things bittorrent is not the fastest way - but _you_ could help change that by not only thinking about your immediate convenience. I hope Peter Czanik's offer is accepted. And that if it doesn't mean a lot of extra work we can have fast bittorrent downloads of dvd isos. Is Eberhard out there somewhere trying to avoid this issue? Can gwdg.de seed? Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce:
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup.
It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of protocols either.
It's a simple matter of how many people seed, their allowed upload bandwidth and their share ratio. If many people seed bittorrent can potentially be a lot faster than ftp and with a lot less load on the mirrors.
In the current state of things bittorrent is not the fastest way - but _you_ could help change that by not only thinking about your immediate convenience.
I hope Peter Czanik's offer is accepted. And that if it doesn't mean a lot of extra work we can have fast bittorrent downloads of dvd isos.
Is Eberhard out there somewhere trying to avoid this issue? Can gwdg.de seed?
The GWDG FTP servers have a different task, and I will not "pollute" them with such scripting stuff. But at release time Christoph will prepare a bittorrent seeder again at GWDG, in a different server, like he did before. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 13:13 skrev Eberhard Moenkeberg:
But at release time Christoph will prepare a bittorrent seeder again at GWDG, in a different server, like he did before.
Great. Between you guys, Peter Czanik and perhaps some of the official servers it should be possible to get some momentum going I'd think and more bittorrent users would appear. Which would benefit users and mirror admins alike. And at the same time it would be possible to provide DVD isos, solving many issues with one stroke. Am I not correct? Maybe Christoph, like Peter, should _only_ seed the DVD isos. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 13:13 skrev Eberhard Moenkeberg:
But at release time Christoph will prepare a bittorrent seeder again at GWDG, in a different server, like he did before.
Great. Between you guys, Peter Czanik and perhaps some of the official servers it should be possible to get some momentum going I'd think and more bittorrent users would appear. Which would benefit users and mirror admins alike. And at the same time it would be possible to provide DVD isos, solving many issues with one stroke. Am I not correct?
Maybe Christoph, like Peter, should _only_ seed the DVD isos.
I normally always download all SUSE stuff with Azureus. Then I always keep them seeding like till they've gone for about 20 GB. Like now I have the remastered ISOs going with 45 - 50 peers, I've kept it going since it came out. There are 105 - 110 other seeders in my swarm. The speed of the swarm is just over 2 MB/s. I've kept doing these seedings about two years now and roughly after 20 - 25 GB I normally would start with next torrent. Everything depends on what other stuff I down/upload, sometimes I pause the SUSE torrents for a while to get something else. Then start again. I think if a lot of us do the same this shit works big time :) -- Vahis Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. Motorcycling, Boating and SUSE Linux: http://waxborg.servepics.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 October 2006 12:29, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 13:13 skrev Eberhard Moenkeberg:
But at release time Christoph will prepare a bittorrent seeder again at GWDG, in a different server, like he did before.
Great. Between you guys, Peter Czanik and perhaps some of the official servers it should be possible to get some momentum going I'd think and more bittorrent users would appear. Which would benefit users and mirror admins alike. And at the same time it would be possible to provide DVD isos, solving many issues with one stroke. Am I not correct?
Maybe Christoph, like Peter, should _only_ seed the DVD isos.
I think that the important fact, specially now we will have beta1, is that, without using SUSE servers for it, there is a possibility of having the DVD avaulable for beta testing, wich is something we only had with alpha5. Even if it is available only with torrent, it is better than not having none. It could also be a way to forrest torrent usage, so that we wouldn't choke the servers so much, specially if the torrents are not seeded by SUSE servers. So, I also would like very much that Peter's offer would be acepted. I mean, is so much better to record a DVD and use it on any computer you would like... Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:00 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce:
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup.
It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of protocols either.
It's a simple matter of how many people seed,
This I would say is the only issue, people use torrent to download and choke off any upload to others making torrent slow to others. This is why I only use FTP. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Schneider a écrit :
This I would say is the only issue, people use torrent to download and choke off any upload to others making torrent slow to others. This is why I only use FTP.
the problem is probably not exactly that one. p2p users are used to have a "share" given to the rest of world. But this share is mostly filled with files very often asked for, so it needs not to be changed anytime. in fact the need for opensuse bittorrent is only for the few weeks following the release, anytime after ftp works fine. this is kinda special and not easy to setup. on the days after a release, bittorrent works often very fast jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:00 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup. It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce: protocols either.
It's a simple matter of how many people seed,
This I would say is the only issue, people use torrent to download and choke off any upload to others making torrent slow to others. This is why I only use FTP.
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I guessed as much, I've not tried openSUSE, all previous torrents were of Mandrake/Mandriva. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 21:06 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:00 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
In my expeeeerince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup. It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce: protocols either.
It's a simple matter of how many people seed,
This I would say is the only issue, people use torrent to download and choke off any upload to others making torrent slow to others. This is why I only use FTP.
I guessed as much, I've not tried openSUSE, all previous torrents were of Mandrake/Mandriva. Regards Sid.
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On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:00 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
I hope Peter Czanik's offer is accepted. And that if it doesn't mean a lot of extra work we can have fast bittorrent downloads of dvd isos.
Is Eberhard out there somewhere trying to avoid this issue? Can gwdg.de seed?
This really is missing the whole point of bittorrent. It's not good enough that a few servers seed. If all downloaders seed, it will be faster for everyone. It's a pity that most people don't think that far (or at all) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:00 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
I hope Peter Czanik's offer is accepted. And that if it doesn't mean a lot of extra work we can have fast bittorrent downloads of dvd isos.
Is Eberhard out there somewhere trying to avoid this issue? Can gwdg.de seed?
This really is missing the whole point of bittorrent. It's not good enough that a few servers seed. If all downloaders seed, it will be faster for everyone.
It's a pity that most people don't think that far (or at all)
It needs a new consciousness to become successful. This will need some years, maybe a whole generation. Totally normal for such a "socially driven" technology. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I like it very much to see more packages on the CDs/DVD. (7 CDs vs 5CDs for 10.0) I like this decision. I would really like to see an optional second DVD that has all the rest packages from the FTP tree (otherwise I will download the tree anyways). In real world, it is much faster to spend a day or two to download everything and then just spend few seconds installing rare stuff from the second DVD. (instead of minutes for installing from FTP) Debians practises Dual DVDs since 3.1, I think as their "official" thingie. Another topic: Linspire have proprietary codecs on their "Freespire" distro. So, I assume distributing those is legal... Can we include those codecs on our "closed-source CD" ? Andreas Jaeger: keep up the good work ! -Fenix*NBK*. 22.10.2006. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
"Alexey Eremenko" <al4321@gmail.com> writes:
I like it very much to see more packages on the CDs/DVD. (7 CDs vs 5CDs for 10.0) I like this decision.
I would really like to see an optional second DVD that has all the rest packages from the FTP tree (otherwise I will download the tree anyways).
In real world, it is much faster to spend a day or two to download everything and then just spend few seconds installing rare stuff from the second DVD. (instead of minutes for installing from FTP)
Ah - different use case than most others do ;-)
Debians practises Dual DVDs since 3.1, I think as their "official" thingie.
Another topic:
Linspire have proprietary codecs on their "Freespire" distro. So, I assume distributing those is legal... Can we include those codecs on our "closed-source CD" ?
We can only include those that we have contracts for.
Andreas Jaeger: keep up the good work !
Thanks - but it's not only me ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
In real world, it is much faster to spend a day or two to download everything and then just spend few seconds installing rare stuff from the second DVD. (instead of minutes for installing from FTP)
Ah - different use case than most others do ;-)
I also belong to this minority. All I do is an --exclude='*/x86_64/*', as I don't have (yet) an Opteron, just Centrino and PowerPC. I have an up-to-date mirror of 10.0, 10.1 and factory at home :-)
Linspire have proprietary codecs on their "Freespire" distro. So, I assume distributing those is legal... Can we include those codecs on our "closed-source CD" ?
We can only include those that we have contracts for.
And would it be difficult to make some more extra contracts? I never liked Linspire/Freespire, as most of the distribution is rather limited, but they certainly have an edge in the codecs area. And while I take part in the Packman effort, and recompile what I can on PowerPC, out of the box support could attract more users. Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Peter Czanik <pczanik@fang.fa.gau.hu> writes:
[...] And would it be difficult to make some more extra contracts? I never liked Linspire/Freespire, as most of the distribution is rather limited, but they certainly have an edge in the codecs area. And while I take part in the Packman effort, and recompile what I can on PowerPC, out of the box support could attract more users. Bye,
We do our best, not everything is that easy, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi all, maybe I am offtopic, but I think openSuSE could learn something from Ubuntu. I think that openSuSE should have had extra install sources installed by default ( like Packmann, Guru etc.), and Admin should "just" enable them, read some obligate message about violating law and that these sources are community maintained and blah blah ;) I think THIS could attract more users to openSuSE, that the additionall codecs are accessible for them, and that it's their decission to use them or not. Just my opinion. Again I am sorry, If I am off or this idea was discussed before... Best wishes Jozef Peterka AKA KaiSVK
Peter Czanik <pczanik@fang.fa.gau.hu> writes:
[...] And would it be difficult to make some more extra contracts? I never liked Linspire/Freespire, as most of the distribution is rather limited, but they certainly have an edge in the codecs area. And while I take part in the Packman effort, and recompile what I can on PowerPC, out of the box support could attract more users. Bye,
We do our best, not everything is that easy,
Andreas
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 11:01:22AM +0200, Jozef Peterka wrote:
Hi all, maybe I am offtopic, but I think openSuSE could learn something from Ubuntu. I think that openSuSE should have had extra install sources installed by default ( like Packmann, Guru etc.), and Admin should "just" enable them, read some obligate message about violating law and that these sources are community maintained and blah blah ;)
We cannot even offer law violating options. And not even textfiles describing them.
I think THIS could attract more users to openSuSE, that the additionall codecs are accessible for them, and that it's their decission to use them or not. Just my opinion. Again I am sorry, If I am off or this idea was discussed before...
It has been discussed. 10.2, if you installed the last betas, has the option of adding "additional" installation sources during install. Repackagers can easily modify this choice I think. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Ubuntu. I think that openSuSE should have had extra install sources installed by default ( like Packmann, Guru etc.), and Admin should "just" enable them, read some obligate message about violating law and that these sources are community maintained and blah blah ;)
We cannot even offer law violating options. And not even textfiles describing them.
Understood. But if Ubuntu is doing it, how do they get away with it? Is it because it isn't an American company (if indeed they aren't)? Many years ago one of the great advantages of SuSE was that it wasn't American, and I felt sorry for the Canadians because they had to eat the American poo. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Ubuntu. I think that openSuSE should have had extra install sources installed by default ( like Packmann, Guru etc.), and Admin should "just" enable them, read some obligate message about violating law and that these sources are community maintained and blah blah ;) We cannot even offer law violating options. And not even textfiles describing them.
Understood. But if Ubuntu is doing it, how do they get away with it?
That's a good question. Maybe they won't.
Is it because it isn't an American company (if indeed they aren't)? Many years ago one of the great advantages of SuSE was that it wasn't American, and I felt sorry for the Canadians because they had to eat the American poo.
Note that Germany isn't any better in this case, see the Heise trial wrt linking to patent infringing websites. - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFO90er3NMWliFcXcRAsvgAJsHnio/2Trj0Em/3mZyZILnqahAKgCgmtRw QKEfmk7E4sRZ24EAgZc3oLM= =olk0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hugo Costelha <hugo.costelha@gmail.com> writes:
[...] I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
We would still seed it from our servers - at least initially - and experience has shown that our servers are saturated, it will not work if this is just our servers. If a couple of mirrors help with bittorrent seeding, we will see what and when we can do this, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Hugo Costelha <hugo.costelha@gmail.com> writes:
[...] I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
We would still seed it from our servers - at least initially - and experience has shown that our servers are saturated, it will not work if this is just our servers. If a couple of mirrors help with bittorrent seeding, we will see what and when we can do this,
You could allow only mirroring access (rsync et all) to the torrent to your servers to prevent that, and this way only mirror would be used, right? Hugo Costelha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hugo Costelha <hugo.costelha@gmail.com> writes:
On Friday 20 October 2006 12:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Hugo Costelha <hugo.costelha@gmail.com> writes:
[...] I think that one idea that has been mentioned, and that it would work rather well, is to also distribute the DVD for all the alfa/beta stages, but only through torrent. This way you wouldn't waste bandwidth with your mirros, you would actually save some bandiwidth, and you would make many people happy in just recording one media device to do all the beta tests.
We would still seed it from our servers - at least initially - and experience has shown that our servers are saturated, it will not work if this is just our servers. If a couple of mirrors help with bittorrent seeding, we will see what and when we can do this,
You could allow only mirroring access (rsync et all) to the torrent to your servers to prevent that, and this way only mirror would be used, right?
This would be something to do for the bittorrent DVD - but I'm not aware of mirrors helping us, most are not allowed to use torrent in their setup, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We would still seed it from our servers - at least initially - and experience has shown that our servers are saturated, it will not work if this is just our servers. If a couple of mirrors help with bittorrent seeding, we will see what and when we can do this,
As with 10.1 betas and final: I'm happy to provide torrents from my three university servers. With the original python based torrent I achieved about 1-5MB/s seeds, depending on CPU speed, with ctorrent it could probably go up to wire speed, especially if I only seed three DVDs (i386/Opteron/PPC) and not the CDs. Summary: if I get access to DVD iso-s, I'm happy to seed. Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Fredag 20 oktober 2006 12:56 skrev Andreas Jaeger:
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
Couple of questions. Since you say 'only for the final version' for the ftp trees, and not the removable media, can we assume that cds '6' and '7' will be available for testing with beta1? Do you expect the cd layout to be in order by beta1? It's nice to know beforehand how many cds are needed, for alpha5 cds 1-3 didn't suffice for standard install ;-) Any reason you don't mention box/dvd9? I hope it isn't dropped. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander <suse@linuxin.dk> writes:
Fredag 20 oktober 2006 12:56 skrev Andreas Jaeger:
* 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
Couple of questions.
Since you say 'only for the final version' for the ftp trees, and not the removable media, can we assume that cds '6' and '7' will be available for testing with beta1?
Yes, correct.
Do you expect the cd layout to be in order by beta1? It's nice to know beforehand how many cds are needed, for alpha5 cds 1-3 didn't suffice for standard install ;-)
I expect it to be as above. It's one of our test criteria.
Any reason you don't mention box/dvd9? I hope it isn't dropped.
The DVD9 which will be in the box will never find it's way to the servers and that's why I did not mention it. We plan to for the box CDs to use CDs 1-5 and the non-oss one - as in 10.1, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
We're currently planning to produce the following media for installation:
there are always many questions on what is the content of the cd/dvd. may be it's enough to give a symlink to the archive.gz of this cd if this one is available on the ftp tree (or a raw copy if not) in the same folder as the cd image jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-10-20 at 12:56 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)
* a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)
Questions: 1) ¿Where will go what on 10.1 when to the non-oss tree (non-oss-inst-source)? ¿For instance, where will go the package for Pine? Maybe this has been discussed previously :-? 2) ¿Is it possible, at install time from DVD, to add an FTP source for whatever is not in the DVD? ¿Or a local directory? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFOhodtTMYHG2NR9URAocWAKCJRVMzsPWa5eSVV/IPOZ1B+FSVaQCfWgLO MUczXVvKu6mhBxb5OZJ0SGU= =iI9E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. schrieb:
1) ¿Where will go what on 10.1 when to the non-oss tree (non-oss-inst-source)? ¿For instance, where will go the package for Pine? Maybe this has been discussed previously :-?
Have a look at /suse/install/10.2/inst-source-extra on any ftp.suse.com mirror. ;-) (Yes, pine is there, because it is distributed with source code, but not under a real OSS license.)
2) ¿Is it possible, at install time from DVD, to add an FTP source for whatever is not in the DVD? ¿Or a local directory?
This is already possible via the Add-On Product dialog displayed at the very beginning of the system installation, before the package installation starts (hopefully working without aborting the entire installation in 10.2). Andreas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-10-21 at 15:23 +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
Carlos E. R. schrieb:
1) ¿Where will go what on 10.1 when to the non-oss tree (non-oss-inst-source)? ¿For instance, where will go the package for Pine? Maybe this has been discussed previously :-?
Have a look at /suse/install/10.2/inst-source-extra on any ftp.suse.com mirror. ;-)
And in the CDs, which one? Not in the binaries-only one, probably not in the OSS one. Then, nowhere except ftp? Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to publish somewhere the full listing of CDs, DVDs, FTP, etc O:-)
(Yes, pine is there, because it is distributed with source code, but not under a real OSS license.)
I know, as in 10.1. No problem with that :-) But I hope the tree names, contents of each thing, etc, would be more stable, I have to re-learn on every release :-P
2) ¿Is it possible, at install time from DVD, to add an FTP source for whatever is not in the DVD? ¿Or a local directory?
This is already possible via the Add-On Product dialog displayed at the very beginning of the system installation, before the package installation starts (hopefully working without aborting the entire installation in 10.2).
Magnific! I hadn't noticed previously that possibility. It will come very handy, if it works :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFO4cutTMYHG2NR9URAnQXAJ93sXkyb+yDqdmwgbzE2NXjnu9HKACgl2kP HYRCWT6ZCoHBmzf9+10/lfI= =YB7V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
participants (17)
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Alexey Eremenko
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Anders Johansson
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Andreas Hanke
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Andreas Jaeger
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Carlos E. R.
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Eberhard Moenkeberg
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Hugo Costelha
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jdd
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Jozef Peterka
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Kenneth Schneider
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Marcus Meissner
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Martin Schlander
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Pascal Bleser
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Peter Czanik
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Sid Boyce
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Vahis
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Volker Kuhlmann