[opensuse-factory] GM release
could it be possible to have the GM _torrents_ annouced two days before the GM, may be with some trusted seeders allowed to ftp the isos before the others to open the pipe? of course I'm candidate as seeder. I can dl with bt or ftp and seed bt (I sent 28Gb of RC1cd's) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
could it be possible to have the GM _torrents_ annouced two days before the GM, may be with some trusted seeders allowed to ftp the isos before the others to open the pipe? I guess, it's pretty much the current practice. Bringing mirrors up to
Hello, jdd wrote: the task starts usually 1-2 days earlier.
of course I'm candidate as seeder. I can dl with bt or ftp and seed bt (I sent 28Gb of RC1cd's) I seeded 3270Gb of RC1 DVDs, and still seeding :-) Bye,
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Peter Czanik wrote:
Hello,
could it be possible to have the GM _torrents_ annouced two days before the GM, may be with some trusted seeders allowed to ftp the isos before the others to open the pipe? I guess, it's pretty much the current practice. Bringing mirrors up to
jdd wrote: the task starts usually 1-2 days earlier.
of course I'm candidate as seeder. I can dl with bt or ftp and seed bt (I sent 28Gb of RC1cd's) I seeded 3270Gb of RC1 DVDs, and still seeding :-)
And my provider would cancel my connection if I'd do that :-( Wolfgang --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I seeded 3270Gb of RC1 DVDs, and still seeding :-)
And my provider would cancel my connection if I'd do that :-(
Mine wouldn't :-), but would then charge me much more than a monthly salary for it :-((. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Peter Czanik a écrit :
Hello,
could it be possible to have the GM _torrents_ annouced two days before the GM, may be with some trusted seeders allowed to ftp the isos before the others to open the pipe? I guess, it's pretty much the current practice. Bringing mirrors up to
jdd wrote: the task starts usually 1-2 days earlier.
of course I'm candidate as seeder. I can dl with bt or ftp and seed bt (I sent 28Gb of RC1cd's) I seeded 3270Gb of RC1 DVDs, and still seeding :-) Bye,
very nice :-). I just own a DSL 1Mbit up connexion jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-12-01 at 20:52 +0100, jdd wrote:
I seeded 3270Gb of RC1 DVDs, and still seeding :-)
very nice :-). I just own a DSL 1Mbit up connexion
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFcLWbtTMYHG2NR9URAkobAJ9zE/nEqynobV7Z//4w0y6ku1sGFQCdErzq 6jeVMuG+fNKfRRXgF357nmA= =3Z3J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much.
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Carlos, On Friday 01 December 2006 21:14, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much.
Why do you think it is running Linux ? Have you tested it ?
It's certainly possible--even likely. LinkSys has (or had) at least one Linux-based home networking firewall / router. There are also complete open source replacements for that router's firmware, but as I understand it, only the older versions of that router with more RAM can run it. It has some features not found in the stock LinkSys routers. Here's the first story I found relating to this router and its firmware: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3562391 Randall Schulz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 21:41 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Carlos,
On Friday 01 December 2006 21:14, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much.
Why do you think it is running Linux ? Have you tested it ?
It's certainly possible--even likely.
It's not only "certainly possible" but in fact is. I use a Linksys WRT54G that uses embedded linux and I am using a third party firmware to add additional features. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Lørdag 02 desember 2006 06:41, skrev Randall R Schulz:
Carlos,
On Friday 01 December 2006 21:14, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much.
Why do you think it is running Linux ? Have you tested it ?
It's certainly possible--even likely.
LinkSys has (or had) at least one Linux-based home networking firewall / router. There are also complete open source replacements for that router's firmware, but as I understand it, only the older versions of that router with more RAM can run it. It has some features not found in the stock LinkSys routers.
Here's the first story I found relating to this router and its firmware:
If you want Linux routers have a look at www.openwrt.org Find the HW compatibility page and there you will find a huge number of routers compatible with Linux. It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-) Regards Birger -- Arendal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE Sure we can :-) -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 23:22 schrieb Rajko M:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
After the deal with this concern from Redmond, I'm not sure if this name is very lucky... -- Machs gut | http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/ | http://packman.links2linux.de/ Manfred | http://www.knightsoft-net.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 04 December 2006 13:13, Manfred Tremmel wrote:
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 23:22 schrieb Rajko M:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we could get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
After the deal with this concern from Redmond, I'm not sure if this name is very lucky...
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education -- Gruss, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote:
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education
If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet. Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs in one directory structure. Do all the editing (add or replace the RPMs and npow remove and replace branding) and use makeSUSEdvd to make an ISO. -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
houghi wrote:
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote:
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education
If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet.
Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs in one directory structure. Do all the editing (add or replace the RPMs and npow remove and replace branding) and use makeSUSEdvd to make an ISO.
I can imagine what kind of flood of questions and "unwanted publicity" the name will cause when the name MicroSUSE spreads. The name should be reconsidered. No matter if the name will give the the innocent reader of the web a positive or or negative impression. But it will be misunderstood. Especially now when a lot of people are "looking for signs". I'm sorry for not having a decent suggestion for the name, I'm trying to come up with one or some. -- Vahis Motorcycling, Boating and openSUSE: http://waxborg.servepics.com "Why wait any longer for the world to begin? You can have your cake and eat it, too." Bob Dylan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Vahis wrote:
houghi wrote:
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote:
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education
If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet.
Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs in one directory structure. Do all the editing (add or replace the RPMs and npow remove and replace branding) and use makeSUSEdvd to make an ISO.
I can imagine what kind of flood of questions and "unwanted publicity" the name will cause when the name MicroSUSE spreads.
The name should be reconsidered.
No matter if the name will give the the innocent reader of the web a positive or or negative impression. But it will be misunderstood.
Especially now when a lot of people are "looking for signs".
I'm sorry for not having a decent suggestion for the name, I'm trying to come up with one or some.
PocketSUSE PygmySUSE PetiteSUSE -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 00:41, Basil Chupin wrote:
Vahis wrote:
houghi wrote:
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote:
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education .... PocketSUSE
PygmySUSE
PetiteSUSE
Hi Basil, The names existed before whole hype and I'm sure that no one will change them to accommodate daily needs for appropriate naming. I guess that jdd will vote for PetiteSUSE, but that has nothing to do with a hype ;-) I personally will keep MiniSUSE as it reflects the goal. I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-) The rest of names is also pretty clear what the aim is. -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 00:41, Basil Chupin wrote:
Vahis wrote:
houghi wrote:
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:06:15PM -0600, Rajko M wrote:
We thought about the problem and it is obvious that we can't agree that one size fit all. By now we have this: http://en.opensuse.org http://en.opensuse.org/SUPER http://en.opensuse.org/1_CD_Install http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab already mentioned http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE and more comming in, like: http://en.opensuse.org/Education .... PocketSUSE
PygmySUSE
PetiteSUSE
Hi Basil,
The names existed before whole hype and I'm sure that no one will change them to accommodate daily needs for appropriate naming. I guess that jdd will vote for PetiteSUSE, but that has nothing to do with a hype ;-)
I personally will keep MiniSUSE as it reflects the goal. I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
The rest of names is also pretty clear what the aim is.
I thought the discussion was about the name MicroSUSE and not MiniSUSE (I've got no hassles with MiniSUSE). For MicroSUSE I can also recommend 'BilbySUSE' - see picture: http://www.abchsn.com/aus_wildlife/bilby.html Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 20:29, Basil Chupin wrote:
I thought the discussion was about the name MicroSUSE and not MiniSUSE (I've got no hassles with MiniSUSE).
For MicroSUSE I can also recommend 'BilbySUSE' - see picture: http://www.abchsn.com/aus_wildlife/bilby.html
:-D It is a bit off main line. It's not a lizard :-) -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 20:29, Basil Chupin wrote:
I thought the discussion was about the name MicroSUSE and not MiniSUSE (I've got no hassles with MiniSUSE).
For MicroSUSE I can also recommend 'BilbySUSE' - see picture: http://www.abchsn.com/aus_wildlife/bilby.html
:-D
It is a bit off main line. It's not a lizard :-)
So, SUSE is to be a lizard all its life and not become a warm blooded animal? Warm cuddly things have a better image and are more desirable than snakes and lizards. How can you think of a lizard when you can have this?- http://www.schools.ash.org.au/bilbyrap/photo1.htm Even Linux has a warm blooded animal as its mascot :-) . Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
I personally will keep MiniSUSE as it reflects the goal.
+1
I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
Some of us just lurk without saying (much) - I have a wide range of kit that I'd like to see Linux, preferably SuSE, running on; from early Pentium to recent AMD64 along with several PPC platforms. I've long been keeping an eye on MiniSuSE and (now that I know of it) MicroSuSE (and under whatever name it might be obliged to switch to). So far neither has met my needs and I don't currently have much time to contribute :-( BTW: The Lindows debacle should serve to remind us what can happen when the beast from Redmond considers itself (or its income streams!) threatened... -- Cheers Richard (MQ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M a écrit :
The names existed before whole hype and I'm sure that no one will change them to accommodate daily needs for appropriate naming. I guess that jdd will vote for PetiteSUSE, but that has nothing to do with a hype ;-)
:-) not really, a name with equal meaning in all countries is nice :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 19:20 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
Why do you say that? I'm interested, but I'm no developper, I don't think I can contribute. What kind of contribution is needed? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdsortTMYHG2NR9URAqu4AJ9thkiSyfyNMoKRNxSLHnW/eRIKFgCePKOd Pkh/T+4/Thp2ubhPQVQAzJE= =+vDr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 07:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 19:20 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
Why do you say that? I'm interested, but I'm no developper, I don't think I can contribute. What kind of contribution is needed?
To make MiniSUSE running, it is necessary to understand Installation, as it is proven that even the 10.1 can run in text mode or some GUI with modest requests to hardware. I tested it with 300 MHz CPU and 128 MB RAM, and I'm satisfied. It is not flying, but for sure not crawling like under KDE. The same machine had FreeBSD, and PC BSD with KDE, and it was slow during KDE startup, but usable afterwards, so there is room for optimization. In the beginning we wanted to analyze Installation and for that one has to have the time and some skills. The only programmer in the group that started project is Boyd, but I would say he is short with the time. So we need more people with underpowered machines, that will profit the most if project make progress, willing to analyze and test. They would be programmers in a first place, able to find why Installer needs more memory than installed system, and where to search for solutions, but also MiniSUSE will need many testers. Articles http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_with_Little_Memory and http://en.opensuse.org/YaST_Remote_Logging_in_Installation shed some light on a problem with workarounds how to minimize memory usage. Now we can define that the first goal of MiniSUSE would be: - to test procedure in article, that will make possible to install openSUSE on underpowered machines - define pattern for minimal text mode where machine can be used as low traffic server, and many other purposes where GUI is superficial - define pattern for minimal GUI where main usage will be mail, some text writing, web browsing, and whatever can work with sharp hardware limitations Who will profit from? Probably the biggest winner will be schools, charities and many kids that can't afford reasonably fast hardware, not to mention the latest and the greatest. BTW, I'm short with time too, and considering MiniSUSE I just keep it alive, adding usefull links from time to time, and do other tasks on openSUSE wiki that doesn't demand too much time at once (like Portal, writing articles, etc :-) After your question, I think that I have to rewrite article to include on more prominent places that we need testing of ideas in above 2 articles. What do you think? -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Rajko M wrote:
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 07:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 19:20 -0600, Rajko M wrote:
I thought that more people with underpowered machines are present on openSUSE, but that is obviously not the case :-)
Why do you say that? I'm interested, but I'm no developper, I don't think I can contribute. What kind of contribution is needed?
To make MiniSUSE running, it is necessary to understand Installation, as it is proven that even the 10.1 can run in text mode or some GUI with modest requests to hardware. I tested it with 300 MHz CPU and 128 MB RAM, and I'm satisfied. It is not flying, but for sure not crawling like under KDE. The same machine had FreeBSD, and PC BSD with KDE, and it was slow during KDE startup, but usable afterwards, so there is room for optimization.
I was able to install 10.2 on a 60MHz Machine with 128 MB RAM. I was not
able to get it to install with 96 MB RAM. KDE is not really usable. But
you can run X. It was OK woth 4-5 Xterm's. SeaMonkey was a bit SLOW. It
would get slugish. There are better OS/Distro for this class of machine.
It did take 10-14 hours to install. I did have to create a 750 MB swap
partition to install and I had to do it in Text mode. But it worked. It
was not doing well or failed on a 32 MHz machine so I stopped/gave up the
install. I do not remember right now too much playing with various
configurations. I no longer am using 10.2 on my 60 MHz machine. I had to
over-write it to do real work for a client. But I thought I should report
my findings. I really like 10.2.
Thanks so much for a great Release. The new paterns really assist with
lower class machines.
New HW is comodity and made to break. I have had 8 machines since 2001/2
DIE but my older machines just keep on going. I had 2 2.0 GHz machines
dies 1-2 years after purchase. Just after waranty expires.. Other were
fast but died. I sware newer machines are made do die right safter
warenty. expires.
Good Luck,
--
Boyd Gerber
houghi a écrit :
Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs
the first problem is not making the dvd (thanks to your work) but choosing what to have on it :-) with 10.1, saving the current rpm state of a distro was tricky, I hope this is no more the case with 10.2 (but I didn't test this) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:29:19AM +0100, jdd wrote:
houghi a écrit :
Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs
the first problem is not making the dvd (thanks to your work) but choosing what to have on it :-)
Yes. When looking at the different projects, you see basicaly two directions. One for a 'small' version, be it on low end machines or small in size. The other is the education part. Perhaps it is wise to look at where these projects are similar and concentrate them. Having 5 projects doing almost the same by 5 different people comes to nothing. Having one project by the same 5 people will allow coninuety over a longer period of time.
with 10.1, saving the current rpm state of a distro was tricky, I hope this is no more the case with 10.2 (but I didn't test this)
Yes, you can now easily make your own patterns. The only thing you now need to do is work out these patterns and think of a way of de-selecting all RPMs that are NOT selected by the patterens. Once you have established that step, making your specific ersonalized distribution is extremely easy. So what we need is a way to see what pattern will need what RPMs and then deduct what RPMs are not needed, or am I dreaming now? -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
houghi schreef:
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:29:19AM +0100, jdd wrote:
houghi a écrit :
Basicaly what people of those projects can do is first use makeSUSEdvd to get all the files and RPMs
the first problem is not making the dvd (thanks to your work) but choosing what to have on it :-)
Yes. When looking at the different projects, you see basicaly two directions. One for a 'small' version, be it on low end machines or small in size. The other is the education part.
Perhaps it is wise to look at where these projects are similar and concentrate them. Having 5 projects doing almost the same by 5 different people comes to nothing. Having one project by the same 5 people will allow coninuety over a longer period of time.
with 10.1, saving the current rpm state of a distro was tricky, I hope this is no more the case with 10.2 (but I didn't test this)
Yes, you can now easily make your own patterns. The only thing you now need to do is work out these patterns and think of a way of de-selecting all RPMs that are NOT selected by the patterens.
Once you have established that step, making your specific ersonalized distribution is extremely easy. So what we need is a way to see what pattern will need what RPMs and then deduct what RPMs are not needed, or am I dreaming now?
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On Tuesday 05 December 2006 06:56, houghi wrote:
Yes. When looking at the different projects, you see basicaly two directions. One for a 'small' version, be it on low end machines or small in size. The other is the education part.
Perhaps it is wise to look at where these projects are similar and concentrate them. Having 5 projects doing almost the same by 5 different people comes to nothing. Having one project by the same 5 people will allow coninuety over a longer period of time.
The musician's version JackLab is different, but they have own development, and they are actually not very much present on openSUSE. The MicroSUSE is one man project to make embedded version. It is SUSE just in the name, as it will use completely different software base. SUPER and 1_CD are experimental performance oriented versions. MiniSUSE, as you can recall, is environmental friendly, in a basic idea to give new life to older hardware, so we can learn from 1_CD and MicroSUSE, but sincerely we (I) have to learn how to make bootable CD/DVD (thanks for makeSUSEdvd) with changed demand on memory during installation. That will take some time, for sure, unless some developers jump in. The 'small' and 'educational' are probably the closest, as MiniSUSE could be nice base for EduSUSE and many more application specific subsets of openSUSE. -- Regards, Rajko M. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 03:03 schrieb houghi:
If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet.
You might be interested in http://en.opensuse.org/Branding_Overview as well. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Version x.0 Kostenpflichtiger Preview als Bestandteil unserer Beta-Tests [Kristian Köhntopp] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 07:35:06PM +0100, Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 03:03 schrieb houghi:
If you want rebranding for any of those, look at http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/ and obviously http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
I have made the page http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand as well, but there is not much to see yet.
You might be interested in http://en.opensuse.org/Branding_Overview as well.
Thanks. The wallpapers are already included, normaly. -- Listen do you hear them drawing near in their search for the sinners? Feeding on the power of our fear and the evil within us. Incarnation of Satan's creation of all that we dread. When the demons arrive those alive would be better off dead! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 4 december 2006 20:13, schreef Manfred Tremmel:
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 23:22 schrieb Rajko M:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
After the deal with this concern from Redmond, I'm not sure if this name is very lucky...
lol...wel observed! I don't think we can influence these things very much.... What happens, happens.. I think personal it is choosen wel, from this point of vieuw, but probably this is not on purpose... We all know the verb: If you cann't beat them: Join them.. On the other hand, who will realy give a shit? Most of the times you get the things, you hate the most.. Might be to learn that they are different when you get to know them better... I think it is ironic, when you turn of MS, you run into it... And...it is allways good to loose illusions....(!) -- Have a nice day, M9. it is allways now..(the only time to change) OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-33-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Monkey 9 wrote:
Op maandag 4 december 2006 20:13, schreef Manfred Tremmel:
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 23:22 schrieb Rajko M:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
After the deal with this concern from Redmond, I'm not sure if this name is very lucky...
lol...wel observed! I don't think we can influence these things very much....
Sure we can. This is exctly the place where we do that :)
What happens, happens..
Not quite like that, not at all.
I think personal it is choosen wel, from this point of vieuw, but probably this is not on purpose... We all know the verb: If you cann't beat them: Join them..
There's also a "fork" of this saying or proverb: If you can't beat them, buy them.
On the other hand, who will realy give a shit?
You may be right. But probably It will generate publicity which may be even good, who knows :)
Most of the times you get the things, you hate the most..
I personally have no wrath to that direction, but I know there are people who could even use the word "hate". -- Vahis Motorcycling, Boating and openSUSE: http://waxborg.servepics.com "Why wait any longer for the world to begin? You can have your cake and eat it, too." Bob Dylan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 4 december 2006 11:09, schreef Vahis:
Monkey 9 wrote:
Op maandag 4 december 2006 20:13, schreef Manfred Tremmel:
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2006 23:22 schrieb Rajko M:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:35, Birger Kollstrand wrote: ...
It would be fun if we caould get an openSUSE embedded for those :-)
After the deal with this concern from Redmond, I'm not sure if this name is very lucky...
lol...wel observed! I don't think we can influence these things very much....
Sure we can. This is exctly the place where we do that :)
You can choose another name, but than what?
What happens, happens..
Not quite like that, not at all.
Let me put it another way: Only what happens, happens...
I think personal it is choosen wel, from this point of vieuw, but probably this is not on purpose... We all know the verb: If you cann't beat them: Join them..
There's also a "fork" of this saying or proverb:
If you can't beat them, buy them.
exactly what happened to SuSE no?
On the other hand, who will realy give a shit?
You may be right. But probably It will generate publicity which may be even good, who knows
exactly! that is my point: Who knows..?
:)
Most of the times you get the things, you hate the most..
I personally have no wrath to that direction, but I know there are people who could even use the word "hate".
It is not a saying i invented, nor a practice on my behalf, but from the days i thought i could make a difference, i noticed that things got worse, and opposite of the wanted, happened. This made me decide to be carefull in achieving things.. (what do i want to achieve, but what happens instead..like the selling of SuSE, who of us realy wanted that? and who could have stopped it?) Now i want to see the things how they realy are, therefore i have to know, that nothing is what it seems... To know what is real, i have to be flexible... (i am aware of the fact, that there might be as many 'opinions' as there are people... but opinions do not change natural-laws: Wheater i like it or not, does not change the fact that things that go up, must come down..) -- Have a nice day, M9. it is allways now..(the only time to change) OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-33-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:29:48PM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote:
(what do i want to achieve, but what happens instead..like the selling of SuSE, who of us realy wanted that? and who could have stopped it?)
In hindsight I am very happy that Novell bought it. They opens SUSE up. They put YaST under GPL. They realized openSUSE. They gave SUSE a future. The alternative would have been probably SUSE closing shop and RedHat as the single serious Linux player. -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
houghi schreef:
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:29:48PM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote:
(what do i want to achieve, but what happens instead..like the selling of SuSE, who of us realy wanted that? and who could have stopped it?)
In hindsight I am very happy that Novell bought it. They opens SUSE up. They put YaST under GPL. They realized openSUSE. They gave SUSE a future. The alternative would have been probably SUSE closing shop and RedHat as the single serious Linux player.
See? I for me would not have thought SuSE would have closed the shop.. But recently MS bought SuSE from novell, and since i know Novell from the past (tekstwriter story) i saw it coming about a year ago.. Things you cannot stop, you simply can not stop. So why waste time on it? SuSE is sold to Windows, that is what many people shook down the chair... I also think, just continue the way, lead the market. Many people that wanted a change to another os, but underestimated themselves, and stayed with the dictator, get a second chance now... Anyway, Linux is taken very serious now... that we gained. M9. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:03:26PM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote: <snip FUD> Please keep that for another place, not here. My appologies for replying. -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
houghi schreef:
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 02:03:26PM +0100, Monkey 9 wrote: <snip FUD>
Please keep that for another place, not here. My appologies for replying.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-12-02 at 07:14 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much.
Why do you think it is running Linux ? Have you tested it ?
I know. Because it says so itself in the log: Nov 27 20:18:09 router klogd: Linux version 2.4.17 (root@localhost.localdomain) (gcc version 3.1) #1 10 7 19:23:37 CST 2005 It uses ipatables, has an ssh server, uses busybox... many clues match. Nov 27 20:18:09 router klogd: klogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2005.10.07-11:27+0000) So yes, I'm pretty sure. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFciqZtTMYHG2NR9URAtqkAJ4+C3r1QBfUAOw37vaSQZuAqy3KGwCfRc/C dL77XwCIrX7OZkf8ZlVZDo8= =1BRL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Saturday 2006-12-02 at 07:14 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
My router crashes after seeding 4 or 6 hours. And it runs an embedded linux with a 2.4 kernel. So I can't seed much. Why do you think it is running Linux ? Have you tested it ?
I know. Because it says so itself in the log:
Nov 27 20:18:09 router klogd: Linux version 2.4.17 (root@localhost.localdomain) (gcc version 3.1) #1 10 7 19:23:37 CST 2005
It uses ipatables, has an ssh server, uses busybox... many clues match.
Nov 27 20:18:09 router klogd: klogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2005.10.07-11:27+0000)
So yes, I'm pretty sure.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I thought everyone knew that as it has been trumpeted many times, also linuxdevices.com carries a list of devices running Linux. Some devices are supplied only with Windows controlling software, but they run Linux. My TomTom Go700 GPS is such a device and there is a site www.opentom.org that supplies Linux mods for TomTom GPS's. After upgrading the software via a Windows box, I found I could mount it as a USB drive and upgrade it that way. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jdd schrieb:
could it be possible to have the GM _torrents_ annouced two days before the GM, may be with some trusted seeders allowed to ftp the isos before the others to open the pipe?
of course I'm candidate as seeder. I can dl with bt or ftp and seed bt (I sent 28Gb of RC1cd's)
Some mirrors are seeding via bittorrent, e.g. ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de seeds with about 100-150 MBit/s (limit by slow hds). I think the bittorrent speed should be fine when 10.2 is officially released. Best regards, Dominik -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFcX4vvinM86nJdGsRAiqKAJ9jxsM6fMul//4JRl3pDPpsg9kvawCfeQie Zl4CTTupLZucAfIXjxAlSLs= =egsD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
participants (20)
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Alexey Eremenko -
Basil Chupin -
Birger Kollstrand -
Boyd Lynn Gerber -
Carlos E. R. -
Christian Boltz -
Dominik Friedrich -
houghi -
jdd -
Kenneth Schneider -
Manfred Tremmel -
Monkey 9 -
Peter Czanik -
Rajko M -
Randall R Schulz -
richard (MQ) -
Sid Boyce -
Vahis -
Volker Kuhlmann -
Wolfgang Rosenauer