On Monday, June 25, 2018 5:20:45 PM CDT, Jimmy Berry wrote:

On Monday, June 25, 2018 5:12:04 PM CDT David C. Rankin wrote:

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would be simpler to have auto-generated messages go somewhere else instead of directly to the developer list. Just a thought.

Yes [1] [2], if desired although perhaps duplicating the message would be better since the ensuing discussion is generally suited to this list.

If you are just looking for notice of new snapshot perhaps see [3] and the RSS feed. The individual entries have links to the mailing list announcement as well.

[1] https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-tools/blob/ 965353b7ed79bb50118f81213a9d7974a960afd6/config/announcer/openSUSE:Factory.yml [2] https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-tools/blob/ 89c6f1c6d44d22e226ce0b43233135f4cf2678cf/factory-package-news/ announcer.py#L40-L64 [3] http://review.tumbleweed.boombatower.com/

I would personally *love* for this to happen. The RSS feeds that are available for the mailing lists [1] would make it *very easy* to track when new snapshots have been released rather than having to filter through other messges in openSUSE-Factory. Also, I really love boombatower's site, but it does *sometimes* lag behind the new release posts on the mailing list. [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/mailinglist.rss -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday, June 25, 2018 6:44:50 PM CDT, Felix Miata wrote: simonizor composed on 2018-06-25 17:31 (UTC-0500):

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

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"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

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I would personally *love* for this to happen.

Not me! New TW SS and Release+1 are the only routine announcements I have any interest in, so no announce list sub, or need for complicated filtering. Everything with suse in subject goes to same folder.

If they duplicate the messages, I don't think that would hurt what you're doing now at all.

perhaps duplicating the message would be better since the ensuing discussion is generally suited to this list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

In the face to face board meeting we discussed the idea of creating a new mailing list for these emails but decided to wait and see how our other mailing list changes went first before moving any further on the idea. But if there is community interest in having these emails go to a separate list such as opensuse-snapshot@ instead of opensuse-factory@ its certainly a change we can make.

I like the idea of waiting a bit to see how the new list does, I'd hate to have a list explosion and fragment tumbleweed discussions. I think a RSS feed is more appropriate for users that want a more direct method of new snapshot notifications. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata wrote:

simonizor composed on 2018-06-25 17:31 (UTC-0500):

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

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"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would

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I would personally *love* for this to happen.

Not me! New TW SS and Release+1 are the only routine announcements I have any interest in, so no announce list sub, or need for complicated filtering. Everything with suse in subject goes to same folder.

+1. I would rather suggest to make those mails unreplyable, because the main issue rather is people replying without changing subject (been there myself.....) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-26 07:36, Richard Brown wrote:

On 26 June 2018 at 00:12, David C. Rankin wrote:

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All,

Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would be simpler to have auto-generated messages go somewhere else instead of directly to the developer list. Just a thought.

Due to the importance of the official announce list (it is the one where most of the media are following what the project is doing) the list is wholly moderated, requiring a human to individually release any mail to that list to ensure only appropriate announcements are made by the project.

Given the pace of Tumbleweed updates this will put a dramatic workload increase on our mailinglist admins unless they have a way of auto accepting certain mails - but they will need to continue to filter out ANY discussion because the announce list is not a discussion list, like mentioned it’s for announcements only and is used as such by the world at large.

The announcements themselves could be PGP or otherwise signed, so that allowing them could be automated. The announcement could have a "reply-to" header set to another mail list. Any reply to the announcements on the announcement mail lists would be automatically rejected. That said, I prefer the snapshot messages where they are currently. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 26/06/18 15:55, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

On 26.06.2018 00:12, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would be simpler to have auto-generated messages go somewhere else instead of directly to the developer list. Just a thought.

For me (in case I count as "developer"), the compact notice what went into the last snapshot is very valuable information. If these mails are going somewhere else, then, after the bug reporters have finally been driven away, the last bit of useful information on opensuse-factory is removed.

Well the idea would be people who mostly want this information rather then being interested in discussions around openSUSE's future development would be subscribed to that list and not this list, then people working on openSUSE development would have the choice to subscribe to both lists if they wanted all the info or just one if they'd prefer. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On 26/06/18 17:16, Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 06/26/2018 09:28 AM, Simon Lees wrote:

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On 26/06/18 15:55, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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On 26.06.2018 00:12, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would be simpler to have auto-generated messages go somewhere else instead of directly to the developer list. Just a thought.

For me (in case I count as "developer"), the compact notice what went into the last snapshot is very valuable information. If these mails are going somewhere else, then, after the bug reporters have finally been driven away, the last bit of useful information on opensuse-factory is removed.

Well the idea would be people who mostly want this information rather then being interested in discussions around openSUSE's future development would be subscribed to that list and not this list, then people working on openSUSE development would have the choice to subscribe to both lists if they wanted all the info or just one if they'd prefer.

I dislike this "one mailing list per purpose" approach. One mail a day doesn't sound too hard to look out for.

Greetings, Stephan

The multiple mailing list approach was more a consideration for the fact we were often getting 2 emails a day (tumbleweed and Leap pre release), sometimes each receiving 3-8 follow up emails with users listing the various things that were broken for them. Some users would prefer to see that continue while others don't want these emails on the -factory mailing list, so the alternative to pushing people to bugzilla (what we chose for now) was moving all this to another list. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 16:58:51 +0930, Simon Lees wrote:

On 26/06/18 15:55, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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On 26.06.2018 00:12, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Is there a way to move all the automatically generated messages

"New Tumbleweed snapshot ... released!"

to the Announce List? We could filter by subject, but it would be simpler to have auto-generated messages go somewhere else instead of directly to the developer list. Just a thought.

For me (in case I count as "developer"), the compact notice what went into the last snapshot is very valuable information. If these mails are going somewhere else, then, after the bug reporters have finally been driven away, the last bit of useful information on opensuse-factory is removed.

Well the idea would be people who mostly want this information rather then being interested in discussions around openSUSE's future development would be subscribed to that list and not this list, then people working on openSUSE development would have the choice to subscribe to both lists if they wanted all the info or just one if they'd prefer.

I like to read both and I have no problem with both mails in the same ML FWIW, I delete all discussion mails that I am not interested in, but I keep all the announcement mails. -- H.Merijn Brand http://tux.nl Perl Monger http://amsterdam.pm.org/ using perl5.00307 .. 5.27 porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org/ http://qa.perl.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/