[opensuse-factory] software updates
Does anyone know if 11.0 allows the user to see all updates available, and/or the ability to select to install all updates? With 10.3 I never was able to do this so the only time I updated software was by searching for a specific package to see if an update was available via the blue background on the line. Cheers, Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if 11.0 allows the user to see all updates available, and/or the ability to select to install all updates?
If you use non-automatic update tool, you can easily view all available, uninstalled and already installed updates via "you" (YaST Online Update module). This tool has been in SuSE Linux for a long time. Regards Ladislav.
With 10.3 I never was able to do this so the only time I updated software was by searching for a specific package to see if an update was available via the blue background on the line.
Cheers, Bob
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The GNOME package-selector makes discovering updates very, very easy - see screenshot: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/198/gnomepackageselectorki5.png Greets, Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger@rub.de> wrote:
The GNOME package-selector makes discovering updates very, very easy - see screenshot: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/198/gnomepackageselectorki5.png
IMHO upgrade and update is not two equal things. From my point of view: Upgrade is a new version of software and update is security or some issue fix update of installed software distributed via official SUSE update channel. Regards Ladislav.
Point taken. I think package-selector doesn't distinguish between delta-rpms (updates) and upgrades. Am Dienstag, den 29.04.2008, 16:18 +0200 schrieb Ladislav Michnovič:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger@rub.de> wrote:
The GNOME package-selector makes discovering updates very, very easy - see screenshot: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/198/gnomepackageselectorki5.png
IMHO upgrade and update is not two equal things. From my point of view: Upgrade is a new version of software and update is security or some issue fix update of installed software distributed via official SUSE update channel.
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Christian Jäger wrote:
Point taken. I think package-selector doesn't distinguish between delta-rpms (updates) and upgrades.
Actually there is no relation between delta-rpms and updates and upgrades too. updates = new packages [ + deltarpm metadata ] patches = new packages + update metadata [ + deltarpm metadata ] Since openSUSE 11. both can use deltarpm to be installed. The case is that SUSE always ships deltarpm information for packages referenced in official patches while normal new packages aren't. But it may be likely we do it for factory packages in the future. At least, libzypp supports it now (we decoupled deltarpm info from the patch) Duncan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, den 29.04.2008, 17:31 +0200 schrieb Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett:
Actually there is no relation between delta-rpms and updates and upgrades too.
updates = new packages [ + deltarpm metadata ] patches = new packages + update metadata [ + deltarpm metadata ]
Thanks for the explanation. Then - is there a way to tell patches from updates within the GNOME or KDE package-selectors? Greets, Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:18 +0200, Ladislav Michnovič wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger@rub.de> wrote:
The GNOME package-selector makes discovering updates very, very easy - see screenshot: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/198/gnomepackageselectorki5.png
IMHO upgrade and update is not two equal things. From my point of view: Upgrade is a new version of software and update is security or some issue fix update of installed software distributed via official SUSE update channel.
Unfortunately there are a couple of people who do not agree with you. Ever came across something called ubuntu? If you want to update a package, you have to perform an "apt-get update", followed by an "apt-get upgrade" Strange... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hans Witvliet schrieb: | On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:18 +0200, Ladislav Michnovič wrote: | Unfortunately there are a couple of people who do not agree with you. | Ever came across something called ubuntu? | If you want to update a package, you have to perform an "apt-get | update", followed by an "apt-get upgrade" | | Strange... Look at smart. update and upgrade are there the same as in apt. After all, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu and Ubuntu is not / should not be our goal. Being different and better and having innovative ideas is the key Felix -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIF3j3aQ44ga2xxAoRAiWQAJ0aZIkqDgZSxTqcL5T1O4ovuhfK/ACgjz89 6axVDwLHIAB7fGXMwFBGBzw= =PkRn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/04/29 21:21 (GMT+0200) Hans Witvliet apparently typed:
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 16:18 +0200, Ladislav Michnoviè wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Christian Jäger
IMHO upgrade and update is not two equal things. From my point of view: Upgrade is a new version of software and update is security or some issue fix update of installed software distributed via official SUSE update channel.
Unfortunately there are a couple of people who do not agree with you. Ever came across something called ubuntu? If you want to update a package, you have to perform an "apt-get update", followed by an "apt-get upgrade"
Like in apt-get, in smart and urpmi, updating package availability and upgrading of installed packages or installing some new package(s) are separate processes. This has the advantage conspicuously absent from YaST in that when you want to install or upgrade a package, you aren't required to wait several eternities for package availability updates to preceed the download and installation process each and every time. -- "Either the constitution controls the judges, or the judges rewrite the constitution." Judge Robert Bork Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Christian Jäger wrote:
The GNOME package-selector makes discovering updates very, very easy - see screenshot: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/198/gnomepackageselectorki5.png
Greets, Chris
That looks very nice. I have been a KDE user all these years so have not seen it before. I would like to see that functionality within the KDE environment. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Ladislav Michnovič wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if 11.0 allows the user to see all updates available, and/or the ability to select to install all updates?
If you use non-automatic update tool, you can easily view all available, uninstalled and already installed updates via "you" (YaST Online Update module). This tool has been in SuSE Linux for a long time.
Give me some examples please as I was unable to translate your words into an action or views? Are you talking about command line ?
Regards Ladislav.
With 10.3 I never was able to do this so the only time I updated software was by searching for a specific package to see if an update was available via the blue background on the line.
Cheers, Bob
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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladislav Michnovič wrote:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Robert Lewis <bob.l.lewis@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if 11.0 allows the user to see all updates available, and/or the ability to select to install all updates?
If you use non-automatic update tool, you can easily view all available, uninstalled and already installed updates via "you" (YaST Online Update module). This tool has been in SuSE Linux for a long time.
Give me some examples please as I was unable to translate your words into an action or views? Are you talking about command line ?
No, I'm talking about YaST's graphical interface. See attached screenshots. But I'm still not sure if you wanted to know how to handle security patches (distributed via maintenance channel) or new version updates. Regards Ladislav.
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Robert Lewis