[opensuse-factory] default filesystem for user data
Current Factory uses XFS as default filesystem for /home partition. Unfortunately I found easy way to damage filesystem on my laptop with data loss (it is not delayed writing): suspend to ram + low battery level. And it is reproducible. Are there ideas for avoidance of this situation? Or maybe it's better to go back to EXT4 as default, I don't remember similar for years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2014-09-25 9:40 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Roshchin <dmitry@roshchin.org>:
Current Factory uses XFS as default filesystem for /home partition. Unfortunately I found easy way to damage filesystem on my laptop with data loss (it is not delayed writing): suspend to ram + low battery level. And it is reproducible. Are there ideas for avoidance of this situation? Or maybe it's better to go back to EXT4 as default, I don't remember similar for years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I had the same issue, lost a few days worth of data, so I reinstalled and used ext4 for home instead. Data loss also happens when I have to switch off the PC using the power button due to the XServer freezing. I had cut the power frequently with my old system due to r600 driver freezes and never lost any data with ext4. I will definitively never use XFS for important data in the future. Ext4 by default seems safer to me. Regards, Alex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 25 September 2014 09:53, Alexander Richardson <arichardson.kde@gmail.com> wrote:
2014-09-25 9:40 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Roshchin <dmitry@roshchin.org>:
Current Factory uses XFS as default filesystem for /home partition. Unfortunately I found easy way to damage filesystem on my laptop with data loss (it is not delayed writing): suspend to ram + low battery level. And it is reproducible. Are there ideas for avoidance of this situation? Or maybe it's better to go back to EXT4 as default, I don't remember similar for years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I had the same issue, lost a few days worth of data, so I reinstalled and used ext4 for home instead. Data loss also happens when I have to switch off the PC using the power button due to the XServer freezing. I had cut the power frequently with my old system due to r600 driver freezes and never lost any data with ext4. I will definitively never use XFS for important data in the future. Ext4 by default seems safer to me.
A much more productive route that would benefit not only yourself but others too would be to file a bug, and then follow it up. Without the bugs, the situation will never change and you will always run into these issues. I have been running XFS for /home and have had zero issues with it for the last year and a bit, even when I forget to plug my laptop in and the battery drains completely. So clearly the issue you encounter doesn't affect *everyone* but does affect people. SUSE has been advocating XFS for data partitions on SLE products for a number of years, Red Hat has now followed suit and with the recent RHEL7 release is also recommending the same. Neither of them would be recommending XFS if data loss happened, they would lose a whole heap of customers ;-)
Regards, Alex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On 25.09.2014 11:04, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
A much more productive route that would benefit not only yourself but others too would be to file a bug, and then follow it up. Without the bugs, the situation will never change and you will always run into these issues. I have been running XFS for /home and have had zero issues with it for the last year and a bit, even when I forget to plug my laptop in and the battery drains completely. So clearly the issue you encounter doesn't affect *everyone* but does affect people.
Yes, please file a bug. This might also be interesting for upstream Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On September 25, 2014 5:04:19 AM EDT, Andrew Wafaa <awafaa@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 25 September 2014 09:53, Alexander Richardson <arichardson.kde@gmail.com> wrote:
2014-09-25 9:40 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Roshchin <dmitry@roshchin.org>:
Current Factory uses XFS as default filesystem for /home partition. Unfortunately I found easy way to damage filesystem on my laptop with data loss (it is not delayed writing): suspend to ram + low battery level. And it is reproducible. Are there ideas for avoidance of this situation? Or maybe it's better to go back to EXT4 as default, I don't remember similar for years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I had the same issue, lost a few days worth of data, so I reinstalled and used ext4 for home instead. Data loss also happens when I have to switch off the PC using the power button due to the XServer freezing. I had cut the power frequently with my old system due to r600 driver freezes and never lost any data with ext4. I will definitively never use XFS for important data in the future. Ext4 by default seems safer to me.
A much more productive route that would benefit not only yourself but others too would be to file a bug, and then follow it up. Without the bugs, the situation will never change and you will always run into these issues. I have been running XFS for /home and have had zero issues with it for the last year and a bit, even when I forget to plug my laptop in and the battery drains completely. So clearly the issue you encounter doesn't affect *everyone* but does affect people.
SUSE has been advocating XFS for data partitions on SLE products for a number of years, Red Hat has now followed suit and with the recent RHEL7 release is also recommending the same. Neither of them would be recommending XFS if data loss happened, they would lose a whole heap of customers ;-)
I don't know if it is in released kernels or only -next kernels but the xfs team has found 2 data loss scenarios in the last few weeks. They are still trying to find working code. xfstest tests to reproduce it and patches to potentially fix it are being posted to their mailing list routinely right now. Could one of the filesystem people tell us how that is impacting factory? Thanks Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-25 11:04, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
On 25 September 2014 09:53, Alexander Richardson
A much more productive route that would benefit not only yourself but others too would be to file a bug, and then follow it up. Without the bugs, the situation will never change and you will always run into these issues. I have been running XFS for /home and have had zero issues with it for the last year and a bit, even when I forget to plug my laptop in and the battery drains completely. So clearly the issue you encounter doesn't affect *everyone* but does affect people.
I have reported a similar issue on the XFS mail list, and they are looking at it. They blame how the kernel suspends. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQj/2QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VyfwCdG1bz16VNOkMiXwB99K681LPp dPoAn08oVlutMuCYSpHg5PxLvE/MLNAb =mjZx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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