[opensuse-factory] KDE4.7.1 in oS 12.1 Beta 1 - Apps remaining on taskbar after closing
I've been testing Beta 1, and it seems that this KDE4 bug is still haunting the KDE desktop: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 It is not a show-stopper, but... it is really annoying. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it on Factory though (although I may have missed it)... it's been around (for me at least) since KDE4.7.0. There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le 02/10/2011 09:18, C a écrit :
I've been testing Beta 1, and it seems that this KDE4 bug is still haunting the KDE desktop: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469
It is not a show-stopper, but... it is really annoying. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it on Factory though (although I may have missed it)... it's been around (for me at least) since KDE4.7.0.
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
C. same thing here, and I have a bug open for a problem that may be related (or not :-()
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720240 jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 09:32, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 02/10/2011 09:18, C a écrit :
I've been testing Beta 1, and it seems that this KDE4 bug is still haunting the KDE desktop: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469
It is not a show-stopper, but... it is really annoying. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it on Factory though (although I may have missed it)... it's been around (for me at least) since KDE4.7.0.
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
C.
same thing here, and I have a bug open for a problem that may be related (or not :-()
Nope, that's not the same issue. That's one I see in Beta 1 as well... double application launcher icons for Firefox and Dolphin. You can remove them but they are added back in on restart/login. The issue with the "ghost" applications basically looks like a running application in the taskbar that remains behind after you exist the application. You cannot interact with this application button since the application it's representing is no longer running. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2011, 09:52:17 schrieb C:
Nope, that's not the same issue. That's one I see in Beta 1 as well... double application launcher icons for Firefox and Dolphin. You can remove them but they are added back in on restart/login.
These are automatically added for "default applications" which you can set in KDE's systemsettings. However when I removed the task-bar and re-added it they did not appear anymore. Might be a bug though.
The issue with the "ghost" applications basically looks like a running application in the taskbar that remains behind after you exist the application. You cannot interact with this application button since the application it's representing is no longer running.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278891 There is another patch that is worth pulling into 4.7.2 in case the fix really got removed due to personal problems a dev has with a user. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270414 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:37, Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@gmx.net> wrote:
Am Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2011, 09:52:17 schrieb C:
Nope, that's not the same issue. That's one I see in Beta 1 as well... double application launcher icons for Firefox and Dolphin. You can remove them but they are added back in on restart/login.
These are automatically added for "default applications" which you can set in KDE's systemsettings. However when I removed the task-bar and re-added it they did not appear anymore. Might be a bug though.
The issue with the "ghost" applications basically looks like a running application in the taskbar that remains behind after you exist the application. You cannot interact with this application button since the application it's representing is no longer running.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278891
There is another patch that is worth pulling into 4.7.2 in case the fix really got removed due to personal problems a dev has with a user.
It would be really good for openSUSE if we were able to pull these patches into the 12.1 release. Regarding the bugs.kde.org reports... it really is shameful that certain prima-donna developers take such a snarky attitude with the KDE users who are frustrated by the apparent lack of response on a bug report. Oh well... we can do better :-) If the patches are released with 12.1, we will have a KDE 4.7.1 that is better than everyone elses. It's a win-win. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 02/10/11 18:32, jdd wrote:
Le 02/10/2011 09:18, C a écrit :
I've been testing Beta 1, and it seems that this KDE4 bug is still haunting the KDE desktop: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469
It is not a show-stopper, but... it is really annoying. I haven't seen anyone complaining about it on Factory though (although I may have missed it)... it's been around (for me at least) since KDE4.7.0.
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
C. same thing here, and I have a bug open for a problem that may be related (or not :-()
Forgive me for asking, but what does "bugzilla.novell.com" have anything to do with openSUSE anymore? Novell is no more. Gone. Poof! Why should anyone report bugs to novell when opensuse is now a separate entity? BC -- You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. Sir Winston Churchill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 02.10.2011 10:26, schrieb Basil Chupin:
Forgive me for asking, but what does "bugzilla.novell.com" have anything to do with openSUSE anymore?
Yes, I´ve heard about setting up something at bugzilla.suse.com but at the moment, Novell´s bugzilla is still "our" bugzilla too.
Novell is no more. Gone. Poof!
Why should anyone report bugs to novell when opensuse is now a separate entity?
Because our beloved SUSE developers are still active in Novell´s bugzilla? ;-)
BC
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On 02/10/11 19:55, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 02.10.2011 10:26, schrieb Basil Chupin:
Forgive me for asking, but what does "bugzilla.novell.com" have anything to do with openSUSE anymore?
Yes, I´ve heard about setting up something at bugzilla.suse.com but at the moment, Novell´s bugzilla is still "our" bugzilla too.
Novell is no more. Gone. Poof!
Why should anyone report bugs to novell when opensuse is now a separate entity?
Because our beloved SUSE developers are still active in Novell´s bugzilla? ;-)
BC
Kim
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch? BC -- You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. Sir Winston Churchill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 07:49:44PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch?
Wow, we have one willing to work on the setup of a suse.com bugzilla including the migration of the old bugs, and most important maintaining it the next five, ten, or even more years! I always welcome such a strong commitment to the project! Sorry kids, what's wrong with bugzilla.novell.com? Despite the fact that it uses the novell.com domain name? A bug tracker, is a bug tracker is a bug tracker. And in this case it's all Open Source Software. From the operating system, to the web server, and the tracker. A new system very likely would run in the same datacenter inside of the same AS. What are the benefits beside one person less complaining? Compared to the tradeoff that we have to maintain two bug reporting systems? Has any of the whining ever had to maintain systems? In particular a bug tracker? Ever tried to get something like the beloved "needinfo by" feature upstream? Sorry to hit with my fist in your Sunday cream cake. But you better get your asbestos protected cloth on before you try to pie on this piece of grass. Yes, there is one point which needs to be addressed. The failing authentication from time to time. That's really annoying. But that wouldn't very, very likely be different for a bugzilla operated under the suse.com domain. I'm happy to focus on real issues. Thanks. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Am 02.10.2011 14:50, schrieb Lars Müller:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 07:49:44PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch? Wow, we have one willing to work on the setup of a suse.com bugzilla including the migration of the old bugs, and most important maintaining it the next five, ten, or even more years!
I always welcome such a strong commitment to the project!
Sorry kids, what's wrong with bugzilla.novell.com? Despite the fact that it uses the novell.com domain name?
nothing.
A bug tracker, is a bug tracker is a bug tracker.
And in this case it's all Open Source Software. From the operating system, to the web server, and the tracker.
A new system very likely would run in the same datacenter inside of the same AS.
What are the benefits beside one person less complaining?
Compared to the tradeoff that we have to maintain two bug reporting systems?
Has any of the whining ever had to maintain systems? In particular a bug tracker? Ever tried to get something like the beloved "needinfo by" feature upstream?
Lars, no one´s complaining about the current situation. It was just a normal question because the typical marketing echo from the SUSE/Novell guys is that they tell us that SUSE and Novell are divorced and the both companies are going there one ways now. So, the question was legitimate.
Sorry to hit with my fist in your Sunday cream cake. But you better get your asbestos protected cloth on before you try to pie on this piece of grass.
Yes, there is one point which needs to be addressed. The failing authentication from time to time. That's really annoying. But that wouldn't very, very likely be different for a bugzilla operated under the suse.com domain.
I'm happy to focus on real issues.
I guess we´re all happy to focus on real issues, no doubt about it. However, it was just a question regarding our "corporate identity" if you want to call it that way... Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2011, Lars Müller wrote:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 07:49:44PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: [ 8< ]
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch?
Wow, we have one willing to work on the setup of a suse.com bugzilla including the migration of the old bugs, and most important maintaining it the next five, ten, or even more years!
I always welcome such a strong commitment to the project!
;-))
Sorry kids, what's wrong with bugzilla.novell.com? Despite the fact that it uses the novell.com domain name?
Did you ever try a bugreport against bnc? I did more than once, and the results are, well, very mixed. For example, user search[1] is still (and again - IIRC for the third time) disabled for non-novell/suse people, and that makes it really annoying to search for the correct assignee. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670590 and all the details in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682324 (non- public, because it would make the bugzilla team look $@§%$&!@$%§& ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W the policy for any bugreports against bugzilla is to make them non-public). Sometimes I have the impression that the bugzilla team doesn't really care about requests that come from openSUSE :-( BTW: there's at least a workaround for searching users - you can type a partial mail address in the assignee / add CC / ... field and bugzilla tries to find a match (for example, enter "cboltz" in the "Assigned to" field to assign a bugreport to me). But that's totally undocumented and most people aren't aware of it. And guess why at least this workaround is enabled... [2] Another thing: It would be very useful if people could just enter the package name when reporting a bug, and bugzilla would then lookup the correct assignee for this package. (Needless to say that this information is available in the buildservice and can be queried there.) But given the situation with user search, I don't think we can get that with bnc :-( (for comparison: IIRC the good old bugzilla.suse.de had this feature.) At the moment the workarounds are a) use "osc maintainer", then copy&paste the mail address b) hope that the screening team finds some time to reassign the bugreport to the right person (at the moment there's a backlog - I don't know if it's normal or caused by hackweek)
I'm happy to focus on real issues.
Same for me, and at the moment I agree that everybody should invest his time to make 12.1 a great release. However, having a bugzilla.suse.com or bugzilla.opensuse.org would give us more control over it and reduce the pain. Therefore I'm afraid we might have to bite the bullet sooner or later... (In case you ask: no, I don't have time to setup or maintain a bugzilla installation.) Besides that, I'm not too happy with the separation of bugzilla and FATE because their usage target sometimes overlaps and it's not always clear what should be reported as enhancement in bugzilla and what as feature request in (open)FATE. <dream>The perfect solution would be a software that merges the features of bugzilla and FATE.</dream> But that's a totally different topic ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] user search = the little icon next to the assignee/add CC/... field that links to https://bugzilla.novell.com/userlookup.cgi (only visible for people in the novellonly[3] group) There's a little fun fact, but please don't tell it to the bugzilla team: userlookup.cgi can be used by everybody, it's just the missing icon near the assignee/add CC/... fields so that you have to copy&paste the mail address... Oh, BTW: the official reason why user search is disabled in bugzilla is to avoid that people can find out mail addresses using userlookup.cgi *eg* [2] Answer: that's the result of one of my "fights" with the bugzilla team :-) (bug 374374, non-public "of course") [3] now I'm waiting for someone to request a "suseonly" group ;-)) -- I understand, I am also sure that they would not let me at their code and internal tools. If they do, I switch disto in a hartbeat, because that means others with the same level as I have can change stuff. I don't trust myself. :-) [houghi in opensuse-wiki] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 06:53:13PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
on Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2011, Lars Müller wrote:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 07:49:44PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
[ 8< ]
Sorry kids, what's wrong with bugzilla.novell.com? Despite the fact that it uses the novell.com domain name?
Did you ever try a bugreport against bnc?
Yes, I did. But it' a long time back since I've done this with a non SUSE identity. Therefore your input and feedback counts more to me.
I did more than once, and the results are, well, very mixed. For example, user search[1] is still (and again - IIRC for the third time) disabled for non-novell/suse people, and that makes it really annoying to search for the correct assignee.
Bad and sad. These are real arguments! Can you please file bugs? :/
See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=670590 and all the details in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682324 (non- public, because it would make the bugzilla team look $@§%$&!@$%§& ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W the policy for any bugreports against bugzilla is to make them non-public).
Sometimes I have the impression that the bugzilla team doesn't really care about requests that come from openSUSE :-(
We should have had a discussion on this while the conference. Nevertheless we must be able to addresse the issues even via list discussion. I'm not sure what's the best approach to address this after 12.1 is out. But it would be a shame if the end of this thread is all we got. Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Le 02/10/2011 10:49, Basil Chupin a écrit :
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch?
the ex-novell suse people are now "Suse", and the desk is still in nurenberg and you can still see Novell raound, because nobydy care to change things only decorative jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 10/02/2011 03:49 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 02/10/2011 10:49, Basil Chupin a écrit :
OK, but how many years does it take to make the proper switch?
the ex-novell suse people are now "Suse", and the desk is still in nurenberg and you can still see Novell raound, because nobydy care to change things only decorative
jdd
And perharps just because all TM are registered & valid TM of Novell :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 02.10.2011 16:55, schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
And perharps just because all TM are registered& valid TM of Novell:-)
Sure? I thought trademarks and other copyright-related stuff now belongs to Attachmate? Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 09:18:33 C wrote:
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
Well, actually upstream is moving. All Plasma widgets are currently in the process of being completely rewritten using QML – including the taskbar. See https://viranchmehta.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/ So unless bugs are huge showstoppers, I don't think it's worth to fix old code. Instead if one is able to help, better help Viranch to make the QML taskbar ready for 4.8. In the meantime there are alternative taskbars for Plasma. The one I use is Fancy Tasks: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737 It's in openSUSE's repos. I have configured it to be almost exactly like the default taskbar with the single exception that Fancy Tasks allows disabling window switching via mouse wheel. Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Correction: I use Smooth Tasks http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586 On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 15:35:04 Markus Slopianka wrote:
The one I use is Fancy Tasks: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737 It's in openSUSE's repos. I have configured it to be almost exactly like the default taskbar with the single exception that Fancy Tasks allows disabling window switching via mouse wheel.
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On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 15:35, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net> wrote:
On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 09:18:33 C wrote:
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
Well, actually upstream is moving. All Plasma widgets are currently in the process of being completely rewritten using QML – including the taskbar. See https://viranchmehta.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/
Nice. There is a lot happening in the KDE development world :-) The improvements we are seeing on the user-land side of things are really noticeable lately.
So unless bugs are huge showstoppers, I don't think it's worth to fix old code.
Fair enough. It's frustrating to see openSUSE 12.1 being released almost the same time as the 4.8 betas (sometime in November).. knowing the fixes are in the 4.8 branch, and seeing the very obvious visual bugs in the 4.7 release. This particular bug is ugly and annoying - and it really is one that new users pick up on right away.
In the meantime there are alternative taskbars for Plasma. The one I use is Fancy Tasks: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737 It's in openSUSE's repos. I have configured it to be almost exactly like the default taskbar with the single exception that Fancy Tasks allows disabling window switching via mouse wheel.
OK, that's nice and all... but it's not what we are apparently shipping. We are shipping a KDE4 with a very visible known bug that most users will encounter in their day to day use. This is not something that affects only a small group of users. My question is, what can we do to fix it? Is there something that one of the openSUSE KDE wizards can patch on the 4.7 release we will ship? It's not a show stopper, but it's ugly and right there in front of every user who will try out KDE4 on 12.1. I'm sure that the reviewers will pick up on it right away. Something small like this can make our 12.1 release look rather sloppy :-( C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 15:45:55 C wrote:
Fair enough. It's frustrating to see openSUSE 12.1 being released almost the same time as the 4.8 betas (sometime in November).. knowing the fixes are in the 4.8 branch
Not sure if the new taskbar will make it into KR 4.8. A rewrite like this will undoubtly carry its own bugs. AFAIK the QML versions have to be at least as good as the old pure C++ ones in order to get accepted.
My question is, what can we do to fix it?
Ship Smooth Tasks by default if the bug is really that bad. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 17:15, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net> wrote:
Not sure if the new taskbar will make it into KR 4.8. A rewrite like this will undoubtly carry its own bugs. AFAIK the QML versions have to be at least as good as the old pure C++ ones in order to get accepted.
I'm sure us users will dig up a few bugs that will make the developers say "Why in the world would you click like that?" :-)
My question is, what can we do to fix it?
Ship Smooth Tasks by default if the bug is really that bad.
Is it bad? Well, it doesn't stop me from using KDE4 in any way... but visually it's pretty obvious. It's something that stands out when you're using KDE. It would be nice if there was something we could do about it before we ship 12.1 - I wish I knew enough C++ to produce a patch, but unfortunately I'm better at being annoying on the mailing list than I am at coding :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 03:45:55 PM C wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 15:35, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net> wrote:
On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 09:18:33 C wrote:
There seems to be no movement on getting it fixed from the upstream KDE side (if the bug comments are to be believed). Is there anything "we" can do to correct it? Is it worth opening an openSUSE bug against it? (I'm guessing not, but worth asking)
Well, actually upstream is moving. All Plasma widgets are currently in the process of being completely rewritten using QML – including the taskbar. See https://viranchmehta.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/
Nice. There is a lot happening in the KDE development world :-) The improvements we are seeing on the user-land side of things are really noticeable lately.
So unless bugs are huge showstoppers, I don't think it's worth to fix old code. Fair enough. It's frustrating to see openSUSE 12.1 being released almost the same time as the 4.8 betas (sometime in November).. knowing the fixes are in the 4.8 branch, and seeing the very obvious visual bugs in the 4.7 release. This particular bug is ugly and annoying - and it really is one that new users pick up on right away.
In the meantime there are alternative taskbars for Plasma. The one I use is Fancy Tasks: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737 It's in openSUSE's repos. I have configured it to be almost exactly like the default taskbar with the single exception that Fancy Tasks allows disabling window switching via mouse wheel.
OK, that's nice and all... but it's not what we are apparently shipping. We are shipping a KDE4 with a very visible known bug that most users will encounter in their day to day use. This is not something that affects only a small group of users.
My question is, what can we do to fix it? Is there something that one of the openSUSE KDE wizards can patch on the 4.7 release we will ship? It's not a show stopper, but it's ugly and right there in front of every user who will try out KDE4 on 12.1. I'm sure that the reviewers will pick up on it right away. Something small like this can make our 12.1 release look rather sloppy :-(
C. I have to agree with your comment about sloppy software. I can name at least a dozen software and hardware companies that no longer exixt because they went by rhe schedule instead of is the product ready.
I realize this is not a company enviroment but we are still tring to convert people from MS to Linux (specifically openSUSE in our case) and these dual Icons are not going to help. I am not a software type, more hardware oriented but I know debugging of the software is a major challenge and thats why we used to teacher our Field Engineers how to track down software bugs (inthe labs) before systems shipped. Hopefully this dual Icon issue will be solved before 12.1 ships. -- Russ openSUSE 11.4(2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop)|KDE Platform Version 4.7.1 (4.7.1) "release 8"|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux- x86_64-280.13) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le 02/10/2011 17:39, upscope a écrit :
Hopefully this dual Icon issue will be solved before 12.1 ships.
is that so hard to solve? was not present previously! jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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