[opensuse-factory] Taking notes from Mandriva.
Taking Notes from Mandriva I recently caught wind that a new version of Mandriva was released. Having checked out the last version on the advice of a good friend, and having been underwhelmed by it I took a look again to see if I could see the magic he spoke of to me. Overall this was indeed a much better release, and were it not for a few show-stopping bugs it may very well have remained on my beloved netbook. One interesting thing of note is that Mandriva has discontinued their multiple versions. They have even abandoned the Gnome environment in favor of KDE. However, their approach was quite unique. Clearly like I had, they too took away some interesting ideas away from Gnome3; and like me were not willing to suffer the bugs. There were a couple interface elements of note. They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3. This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome. I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option. When my friend first told me of Mandriva, he told me that it was all about the eye-candy and polish. This latest release was certainly a good example of that. With a gorgeous new GTK based widget theme, and a simple but elegant set of icons and window decoration Mandriva managed to distinguish itself. But even before that, it is distinguished in its beautiful boot splash, KDM theme, and finally the login splash. Here we can take some pointers seeing as the presentation is encouraging to the new user. They see polish and anticipate a professional distribution. It is of course not a major technological point... but then success rarely comes to the best, but rather to the clever. Now for a brief review of what was under the hood. Mandriva has switched to using systemD, which though not a very obviously faster boot from HD is brilliant when having to boot from Live media. Frankly the prior release of Mandriva was the very very slowest Live boot ever from USB... now it is second in live boot speed only to Fedora. Once again, this may not be critical but it helps. Especially since openSUSE is slow enough when booting from live media as it is, making people think the installer or live boot has frozen. Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look. There were two show stopping bugs for me, one which we share in some degree. That being the issue with overheating. In Mandriva the overheating was extreme enough to shut my netbook down. From what I understand this is caused by a poor ACPI implementation. One thing that has helped is to add a line pertaining to ACPI into the grub boot options string. We may want to add one of these parameters by default. I apologize for the verbosity of my letter, but considering the number of points I wished to bring up felt it necessary. So in an effort to relieve tedium, I hope my letter has been as engaging of a read as I hoped. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 5 September 2011 17:45, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote: Taking Notes from Mandriva
I recently caught wind that a new version of Mandriva was released. Having checked out the last version on the advice of a good friend, and having been underwhelmed by it I took a look again to see if I could see the magic he spoke of to me. Overall this was indeed a much better release, and were it not for a few show-stopping bugs it may very well have remained on my beloved netbook. One interesting thing of note is that Mandriva has discontinued their multiple versions. They have even abandoned the Gnome environment in favor of KDE. However, their approach was quite unique. Clearly like I had, they too took away some interesting ideas away from Gnome3; and like me were not willing to suffer the bugs. There were a couple interface elements of note. They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3. This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome. I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option. When my friend first told me of Mandriva, he told me that it was all about the eye-candy and polish. This latest release was certainly a good example of that. With a gorgeous new GTK based widget theme, and a simple but elegant set of icons and window decoration Mandriva managed to distinguish itself. But even before that, it is distinguished in its beautiful boot splash, KDM theme, and finally the login splash. Here we can take some pointers seeing as the presentation is encouraging to the new user. They see polish and anticipate a professional distribution. It is of course not a major technological point... but then success rarely comes to the best, but rather to the clever.
Have you seen Chakra's beautiful boot splash and new launcher (http://www.chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=5373)? :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sep 5 ’11, "Roger Luedecke" <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking Notes from Mandriva
I recently caught wind that a new version of Mandriva was released. Having checked out the last version on the advice of a good friend, and having been underwhelmed by it I took a look again to see if I could see the magic he spoke of to me. Overall this was indeed a much better release, and were it not for a few show-stopping bugs it may very well have remained on my beloved netbook. One interesting thing of note is that Mandriva has discontinued their multiple versions. They have even abandoned the Gnome environment in favor of KDE.
The reason for this is that the Mandriva company is doing quite bad financially, and as far as I know always has. So a few months ago they got rid of a large part of the paid dev team (who have now setup a fork called Mageia), leaving the Mandriva project really lacking in resources. That's why they've removed most of the GNOME packages from the distro. I used Mandriva for a long time on my desktop or laptop, but I switched to Opensuse since they just didn't seem to have the resources to keep as up-to-date, polished and with enough packages as the other main Linux distro's. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:48:25 AM Tim Edwards wrote:
On Sep 5 ’11, "Roger Luedecke" <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking Notes from Mandriva
I recently caught wind that a new version of Mandriva was released. Having
checked out the last version on the advice of a good friend, and having been underwhelmed by it I took a look again to see if I could see the magic he spoke of to me. Overall this was indeed a much better release, and were it not for a few show-stopping bugs it may very well have remained on my beloved netbook.
One interesting thing of note is that Mandriva has discontinued their
multiple versions. They have even abandoned the Gnome environment in favor of KDE.
The reason for this is that the Mandriva company is doing quite bad financially, and as far as I know always has. So a few months ago they got rid of a large part of the paid dev team (who have now setup a fork called Mageia), leaving the Mandriva project really lacking in resources. That's why they've removed most of the GNOME packages from the distro.
I used Mandriva for a long time on my desktop or laptop, but I switched to Opensuse since they just didn't seem to have the resources to keep as up-to-date, polished and with enough packages as the other main Linux distro's.
Tim Thats what I figured. I have to wonder though, as rough as 11.4 was out the door, do we really have the resources to maintain so much in our distro? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:10:06 skrev Roger Luedecke:
Thats what I figured. I have to wonder though, as rough as 11.4 was out the door, do we really have the resources to maintain so much in our distro?
You seem to have missed that openSUSE is a community distro. Meaning people work on whatever they darn please, and whatever anyone wants to work on gets included in the distro (almost). So there's no possible way to move manpower from e.g. GNOME to KDE. But of course you're welcome to help the KDE team. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:30:50 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:10:06 skrev Roger Luedecke:
Thats what I figured. I have to wonder though, as rough as 11.4 was out the door, do we really have the resources to maintain so much in our distro?
You seem to have missed that openSUSE is a community distro. Meaning people work on whatever they darn please, and whatever anyone wants to work on gets included in the distro (almost).
So there's no possible way to move manpower from e.g. GNOME to KDE. But of course you're welcome to help the KDE team. Well, I don't mean necessarily dropping a DE, but rather there were very noticeable discrepancies between the LiveCD and DVD versions, and I wonder if we should maybe cut back to focusing on LiveCD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 17:58:25 skrev Roger Luedecke:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:30:50 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:10:06 skrev Roger Luedecke:
Thats what I figured. I have to wonder though, as rough as 11.4 was out the door, do we really have the resources to maintain so much in our distro?
You seem to have missed that openSUSE is a community distro. Meaning people work on whatever they darn please, and whatever anyone wants to work on gets included in the distro (almost).
So there's no possible way to move manpower from e.g. GNOME to KDE. But of course you're welcome to help the KDE team.
Well, I don't mean necessarily dropping a DE, but rather there were very noticeable discrepancies between the LiveCD and DVD versions, and I wonder if we should maybe cut back to focusing on LiveCD.
I don't know the stats these days. But traditionally most downloads were the DVD. But unfortunately most testers use the livecd which lead to at least one horrible bug on 11.4 DVD installs (installing KNetworkManager instead of plasmoid-networkmanagement :-| ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 09:26:42 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 17:58:25 skrev Roger Luedecke:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:30:50 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:10:06 skrev Roger Luedecke:
Thats what I figured. I have to wonder though, as rough as 11.4 was out the door, do we really have the resources to maintain so much in our distro?
You seem to have missed that openSUSE is a community distro. Meaning people work on whatever they darn please, and whatever anyone wants to work on gets included in the distro (almost).
So there's no possible way to move manpower from e.g. GNOME to KDE. But of course you're welcome to help the KDE team.
Well, I don't mean necessarily dropping a DE, but rather there were very noticeable discrepancies between the LiveCD and DVD versions, and I wonder if we should maybe cut back to focusing on LiveCD.
I don't know the stats these days. But traditionally most downloads were the DVD. But unfortunately most testers use the livecd which lead to at least one horrible bug on 11.4 DVD installs (installing KNetworkManager instead of plasmoid-networkmanagement :-| ) I really wonder though, why is there a difference? I thought the only difference betweenst them was that the DVD was loaded with packages that were skipped for the live media, as well as localizations and other software. I would just assume that the CD images would be the base system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 06 septembre 2011, à 08:58 -0700, Roger Luedecke a écrit :
Well, I don't mean necessarily dropping a DE, but rather there were very noticeable discrepancies between the LiveCD and DVD versions, and I wonder if we should maybe cut back to focusing on LiveCD.
FWIW, when I test GNOME from a fresh install (every now and then during the cycle, and clearly not often enough :/), I always do this from the LiveCD. If only because downloading the DVD takes too much time for me... But I do think the DVD is valuable, so I certainly want others to test GNOME there for me :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3.
They are working on something similar in plasma-active. I am planning to try to get plasma-active included in playground and hopefully in KDE:Extra once it is released later this year.
This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome.
What, specifically, are the differences?
I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option.
Upstream has already rejected this idea, they even rejected a working patch to add this feature. We could always include the patch if we wanted. It is very small and still works fine with KDE 4.7.
Now for a brief review of what was under the hood. Mandriva has switched to using systemD,
openSUSE 12.1 is doing this as well.
Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look.
I think this is planned for 12.1 as well although I am not certain. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 06 septembre 2011 à 10:05 +0200, todd rme a écrit :
Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look.
I think this is planned for 12.1 as well although I am not certain.
No, it won't be in 12.1, since nobody has step up to finish the work started by spyhawk to get everything integrated. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 01:22:38 AM Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le mardi 06 septembre 2011 à 10:05 +0200, todd rme a écrit :
Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look.
I think this is planned for 12.1 as well although I am not certain.
No, it won't be in 12.1, since nobody has step up to finish the work started by spyhawk to get everything integrated. Kind of a bummer. But it really looks like 12.1 is shaping up to be a very exciting release.
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player. Same here!
Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 07:22:28 AM Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
Same here!
Greetings, Stephan Particularly since updates will occasionally break Amarok. Clementine has only gotten better. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 16:22:28 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
Same here! Agreed, how about changing the patterns? We ship the most current Clementine version with all features enabled (Last.fm and Audio CDs also work properly now). So let's do the same and have one MySQL instance less on KDE :-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Sascha Peilicke:
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 16:22:28 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
Same here!
Agreed, how about changing the patterns? We ship the most current Clementine version with all features enabled (Last.fm and Audio CDs also work properly now). So let's do the same and have one MySQL instance less on KDE :-) This is up to the KDE team to decide. Feel free to voice your oppinion - I shared mine, but Will preferred a player better integrated into KDE.
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On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 07:44:03 AM Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Sascha Peilicke:
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 16:22:28 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
Same here!
Agreed, how about changing the patterns? We ship the most current Clementine version with all features enabled (Last.fm and Audio CDs also work properly now). So let's do the same and have one MySQL instance less on KDE :-)
This is up to the KDE team to decide. Feel free to voice your oppinion - I shared mine, but Will preferred a player better integrated into KDE.
Greetings, Stephan How is Amarok better integrated? I have no issues with Clementine at all, ever. https://features.opensuse.org/312784 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:57:33 skrev Roger Luedecke:
How is Amarok better integrated? I have no issues with Clementine at all
Clementine is a pure Qt app. It doesn't use kdelibs, kde localization etc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:26:44 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:57:33 skrev Roger Luedecke:
How is Amarok better integrated? I have no issues with Clementine at all
Clementine is a pure Qt app. It doesn't use kdelibs, kde localization etc. Ah. But it works so well. Who would notice? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Dienstag 06 September 2011 17:32:17 Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:26:44 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:57:33 skrev Roger Luedecke:
How is Amarok better integrated? I have no issues with Clementine at all
Clementine is a pure Qt app. It doesn't use kdelibs, kde localization etc.
Ah. But it works so well. Who would notice?
Anybody who likes global keyboard shortcuts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:59:52 AM Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Dienstag 06 September 2011 17:32:17 Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:26:44 AM Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 6. september 2011 16:57:33 skrev Roger Luedecke:
How is Amarok better integrated? I have no issues with Clementine at all
Clementine is a pure Qt app. It doesn't use kdelibs, kde localization etc.
Ah. But it works so well. Who would notice?
Anybody who likes global keyboard shortcuts. I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence. Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps... Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps... Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now. Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead:
--- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq: +Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Sascha Peilicke <saschpe@gmx.de> wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now. Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead:
--- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here.
I think you should read the post I was replying to. It was suggesting fixing problems with Clementine. I was replying to that and saying that fixing those problems is infeasible. Whether it is a core piece of upstream KDE is irrelevant, the default media player is a core piece of a distribution. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 02:37:11 AM Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead:
--- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here. Thanks. Not sure why the change of name of thread. There were other notes. I guess they got lost though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 02:37:11 AM Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok> from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead: --- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia
-Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine
k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here. Thanks. Not sure why the change of name of thread. There were other notes. I guess they got lost though. But this branch got off-topic, therefore the topic change, continue discussing
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 08:23:40 Roger Luedecke wrote: the other points in different thread branches ;-) BTW, I did a merge request for the change above: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/patterns/merge_requests/16 Opinions? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sascha Peilicke <saschpe@gmx.de> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 02:37:11 AM Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
> I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok> from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead: --- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia
-Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine
k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here. Thanks. Not sure why the change of name of thread. There were other notes. I guess they got lost though. But this branch got off-topic, therefore the topic change, continue discussing
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 08:23:40 Roger Luedecke wrote: the other points in different thread branches ;-)
BTW, I did a merge request for the change above: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/patterns/merge_requests/16
Opinions?
It seems pretty premature considering we just started discussing it and have yet to come to any sort of consensus on the issue. We also already have a thread on this. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 10:37:11 Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote:
I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence.
Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated apps...
Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is _not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead:
--- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here.
Replace Amarok yes please never has worked for me so i would say good bye quite happily Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.10-0.2-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) 17:56 up 3 days 23:26, 4 users, load average: 0.29, 0.15, 0.09 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 07.09.2011 18:58, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 10:37:11 Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote: > > >> > I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence. > >> > >> Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts with KDE > >> shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the likely merger of tray > >> icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, considering Clementine does not use > >> KStatusNotifierItem? Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly > >> integrated > >> apps... > > Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system desktop > notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is_not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead:
--- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here. Replace Amarok yes please never has worked for me so i would say good bye quite happily
then please vote here: https://features.opensuse.org/312784 thanks -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 18:58:37 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 07.09.2011 18:58, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 10:37:11 Sascha Peilicke wrote:
On Wednesday 07 September 2011 09:59:54 todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39:32 PM Markus Slopianka wrote: > > > >> > I like those too, and didin't notice their abscence. > > >> > > >> Not integrated in System Settings. Not checking conflicts > > >> with KDE shortcuts. Etc. How will Clementine handle the > > >> likely merger of tray icon and taskbar entry in 4.8, > > >> considering Clementine does not use KStatusNotifierItem? > > >> Not at all? Ah, great! So much for badly integrated > > >> apps... > > > > Is there not time to fix it? And you can set it to use system > > desktop notifications.
I think the openSUSE-KDE folks have enough on their plates without having to make major changes to a core piece of software. There are much more important tasks right now.
Nonsense, Amarok is_not_ a core piece. It's not even part of KDE, it's only using kdelibs. Making Clementine default needs ZERO involvement of our 'KDE folks' (it's only catman anyway). It's only about removing Amarok
from the KDE-Multimedia pattern and adding Clemetine instead: --- a/data/KDE4-Multimedia +++ b/data/KDE4-Multimedia @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ patterns-openSUSE-kde4_multimedia -Prq:
+Prc: -amarok +clementine k3b kmix kscd
The only thing needed is a community descision and that should happen here.
Replace Amarok yes please never has worked for me so i would say good bye quite happily
then please vote here: https://features.opensuse.org/312784
thanks Done.
Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.10-0.2-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) 20:36 up 4 days 2:06, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.16, 0.17 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 16:44:03 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Sascha Peilicke:
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 16:22:28 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
Same here!
Agreed, how about changing the patterns? We ship the most current Clementine version with all features enabled (Last.fm and Audio CDs also work properly now). So let's do the same and have one MySQL instance less on KDE :-)
This is up to the KDE team to decide. You're right, CC'ed 'em.
Feel free to voice your oppinion - I shared mine, but Will preferred a player better integrated into KDE. Sure, I just did ;-) I'd be interested how Amarok is more integrated into KDE than Clementine, though. Clemetine doesn't care about phonon sure, it uses GStreamer or ALSA directly, but that's nothing to care about. However, It doesn't use KDE's global keybindings, instead relies on it's own. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
O, one thing I forgot to mention regarding Mandriva is that they replaced AMarok with Clementine... which I support 4 billion percent. There are like over 9000 great reasons to use Clementine vs. Amarok IMHO. Since I found Clementine, I haven't used any other music player.
I tried it and didn't like it at all. I greatly prefer Amarok. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 01:05:37 AM todd rme wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3.
They are working on something similar in plasma-active. I am planning to try to get plasma-active included in playground and hopefully in KDE:Extra once it is released later this year.
More info?
This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome.
What, specifically, are the differences? I think thats really all there is to it... RocketBar uses their special widgets.
I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option.
Upstream has already rejected this idea, they even rejected a working patch to add this feature. We could always include the patch if we wanted. It is very small and still works fine with KDE 4.7. Thats very odd, what was their reason? I mean... if its a toggleable option, wtf?
Now for a brief review of what was under the hood. Mandriva has switched to using systemD,
openSUSE 12.1 is doing this as well. Ok, so its definately coming then... I wasn't clear on that.
Mandriva also uses the Plymouth splash, which seeing as it resembles the last splash nearly identically I assume it used last time. Since I am unfamiliar with Plymouth vs. Splashy I can only say one should go take a look.
I think this is planned for 12.1 as well although I am not certain. From what I understand its being put off. There are reports that it has some issues that need goofy workarounds.
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 01:05:37 AM todd rme wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
They replaced Kickoff with an interesting full screen ordeal with a document time-line view called SimpleWelcome. Though many don't like the shifting paradigm of including smart phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop, I found its layout mostly comfortable on my tiny netbook. It is very reminiscent of Gnome3.
They are working on something similar in plasma-active. I am planning to try to get plasma-active included in playground and hopefully in KDE:Extra once it is released later this year.
More info?
Regarding what? Plasma active has been blogged about a lot. You can look at the KDE:Active OBS repo.
This was part of their new default Plasma panel called RocketBar. The RocketBar is not terribly different from the upstream default, with the exception of SimpleWelcome.
What, specifically, are the differences? I think thats really all there is to it... RocketBar uses their special widgets.
Then it is just a normal panel with a different set of widgets?
I personally did like that their Task Manager was designed so as to only show the application icon, and not a description. As I am fond of docks, I liked this. This is something that should be integrated into the Task Manager as a option.
Upstream has already rejected this idea, they even rejected a working patch to add this feature. We could always include the patch if we wanted. It is very small and still works fine with KDE 4.7. Thats very odd, what was their reason? I mean... if its a toggleable option, wtf?
There was a long debate on it. You will need to read the wishlist item: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159480 -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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