[opensuse-factory] Chromium as the default browser in the next release?
Hi all, Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release? My reasons being 1. Faster 2. Better support for HTML5 and CSS3 3. Excellent browser rendering capabilities 4. Appstore is as good as firefox's and getting better The only issue I have is it creates multiple process Just a suggestion -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 14:49, Marcus Meissner wrote:
I still have issues with Chrome not working on some websites - for example, some dropdown boxes don't work quite right (or at all on some sites, especially if there is some js wizardry going on in the background)... of course I can't provide an example right now :-P but I do see it as a problem from time-to-time. Basically... although I use Chrome, I still find cannot transition to it as a default browser because things don't work 100% in it whereas in Firefox 3 and 4, everything works well for me. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 09:09:15 AM C wrote:
for example, some dropdown boxes don't work quite right
https://bugzilla.novell.com/query.cgi Hopefully that is search. One has to click on Product slider to see items, otherwise they are hidden. It actually works as long as you are not logged in. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. schrieb:
Works fine here, both logged in and logged out, on a SeaMonkey 2.1 build that has the same rendering engine core as Firefox 4. Do you have some JavaScript blocking add-on installed? Bugzilla, esp. that search form, uses JS for building up some of its UI and might not work as well when JS is disabled. And believe me, Bugzilla is one of the first things the people here at Mozilla would fix if anything wouldn't work with it - that bug tracking system is at the very heart of how Mozilla works. ;-) Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Depends on what numbers you are looking at, all somewhat believable measures right now show Chromium 10 and Firefox 4 pretty much head-to-head, one or the other faster on some, but never by really much. So this argument is a myth.
2. Better support for HTML5 and CSS3
Completely wrong, actually there are some edges of the specs that Chromium just cuts off to gain some small amounts of speed on more common cases.
3. Excellent browser rendering capabilities
No different from Firefox 4.
4. Appstore is as good as firefox's and getting better
Wrong, as Chromium add-ons can by design not match the flexibility that Firefox add-ons have.
The only issue I have is it creates multiple process
Coming to future Firefox versions as well due to stability, multiprocessing and possible security improvements it brings. So, all I'm seeing here is myths and Google marketing stories. Is there anything real as well other than the myth of Mozilla, one of the most open operations in this world, being dumb and Google, one of the more doubt-provoking open source producers, being the cool kid? Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:27 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 07:11:51PM +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:
Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?
-1
+1, it isn't really any faster
+1, it isn't more compatible It also isn't stable; we've seen Chrome go down considerably more frequently than FF. And under 11.3 it managed to take X with it on several occasions. Things that could not be duplicated in FF.
3. Excellent browser rendering capabilities No different from Firefox 4.
+1, no different
0, I have no clue.
So, all I'm seeing here is myths and Google marketing stories.
+1 +1 +1 Subtract the Google-hype-factor and there is no there there.
It is shiny-and-new syndrome. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 22/03/11 10:41, Manu Gupta escribió:
I agree with the positive features you mention, but have you seen the mess it is internally ? -It duplicates a large number of components of the OS, Webkit, sqlite, ICU, etc...that's a hell for maintenance. (well, firefox does the same insanity) , but yeah, it is expected that at some point in the future google will fix this. - I have not managed to make html5 video to work properly, even when all needed components are installed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
That's not too much of a concern though as long as - google fixes the issues of the bundled software - chromium stays a leaf package that can be version upgraded all the time - people accept that the browser's behavior may change any time for better or worse due to the version updates. So it's not much different from Firefox with the exception that Firefox does have predictable releases and clearly states what security isses have been fixed. Maintenance problems start if we can't version upgrade anymore for some reason. First and foremost the package needs to be submitted to Factory and pass the acceptance criteria though. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Because of their are two threads about a major change of a default program, I think it´s time to create an inofficial factory image with SUSE Studio. The idea is simple and maybe will help to serve the difference interests. * We create an inoffical factory image based on openSUSE 11.4 with KDE (KDE is the default desktop, the majority of our users uses KDE and we can also add GNOME as an alternative too. So, KDE wins ;) ) * We change the filesystem to btrfs (Read it on the btrfs default thread and will try it soon.) * We make Chromium default * We use the latest LibreOffice packages And then we´ll download it, test it and will see, what´s better. Of course some people have to agree, if a browser change will come really, but this is the first test to see, if it really works. By the way, It kind of hobby to me to create personal openSUSE images in SUSE Studio, so the whole thing will achieve something :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another point: LibreOffice 3.3.2 is released. Can I install now from the repos, or isn´t it ready packed yet? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.opensuse.org powered by openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | x86_64 Notebook | usecase: Workstation openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Since Plasma Desktop is the default environment, defaulting to a browser that clashes with everything KDE (esp. KWin) does not make sense. If anything, Rekonq should become default. The other environments shipped with openSUSE (GNOME, Xfce,...) could adopt Chromium, though. Am Dienstag 22 März 2011, 14:41:51 schrieb Manu Gupta:
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So does firefox now. It's a security feature. My issue is that the interface is ugly as sin. I installed it for about 5 minutes and ran screaming back to Firefox. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2IwNAACgkQLPWxlyuTD7I9SgCdHKVd0zpHi6GvGq5fESq9jM+O MGoAoKTiOSqOaBVhBmZmTtRPLkKOkaKz =Bk/b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com> wrote:
I am not sure if its only me but Firefox seems to a better font rendering compared to Chromium. Regards, ismail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/03/22 11:31 (GMT-0400) Jeff Mahoney composed:
On 03/22/2011 09:41 AM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?
My issue is that the interface is ugly as sin. I installed it for about 5 minutes and ran screaming back to Firefox.
Ugly isn't the word I'd use, but bad is definitely applicable, as is excessively minimalist. It's UI text is mousetype and non-adjustable. It's close tab buttons cannot be moved off the tabs to make accidental tab closure less likely. And FWIW, like all Webkit browsers, and Opera, and the latest IE versions, but unlike most older browsers, and unlike all Gecko browsers, it's incapable of rendering web page objects life size except by accident (only on displays with an actual physical DPI of 96[1]). [1] http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 22/03/11 13:24, Felix Miata escribió:
as is excessively minimalist.
Which is probably one of its best features.
Which is an irrelevant minor annoyance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:36:35 -0300 Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@opensuse.org> wrote:
maybe for you, but most people nowadays have 120dpi or higher resolution displays and don't want super small text. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/03/22 16:36 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
as is excessively minimalist.
Which is probably one of its best features.
So "good" that the stripped Mozilla called Firefox isn't my default browser either. SeaMonkey, which needs no extensions for me to use, is. Chrome by default is more of a web application interface than a web browser. Some of us don't need an application interface to get the information they need off the web, but I, as well others who initiated their web lives using Netscape, do need certain traditional browsing tools to find and use that information as I see fit, and those tools must be usable, which means legible regardless of actual display DPI. Chromium's (and Webkit's) developers have yet to show any signs they know the meaning of resolution independence, much less its importance.
Which is an irrelevant minor annoyance.
To most I'm sure, but not to those who depend on accuracy, and their computer and operating system not lying to them about what they see. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 22.03.2011 16:31, schrieb Jeff Mahoney:
thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | x86_64 Notebook | usecase: Workstation openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 22/03/11 13:45, Kim Leyendecker escribió:
What evidence do you have of that ? do you know that chromium is opensource and any sort of spyware will be pretty easy to remove ? ps: You email headers are also spying you, you must as well distrust them ;-P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le 22/03/2011 14:41, Manu Gupta a écrit :
Hi all,
Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?
why adopt google? I trust much more Mozilla than Google jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I am speaking about chromium and not google-chrome I agree with Ismail on the font rendering part. @Robert The firefox version on new 11.4 could not render gmail properly on my laptop Plus I do not say this as a cool kid and actually Firefox can be the cool kid with a multitude of features.. so no need to get marketing into this. And it was my opinion based on my usage. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
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El 22/03/11 13:54, jdd escribió:
We are talking about chromium here, not google chrome, whoever you trust or not,for whatever paranoid reason is irrelevant. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le 22/03/2011 19:34, Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :
We are talking about chromium here, not google chrome, whoever you trust or not,for whatever paranoid reason is irrelevant.
I don't really see any difference. is the development of chromium completely disconnected from google chrome? and avoiding google is a reason as well as any other... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 22/03/11 15:36, jdd escribió:
Which again has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject.
and avoiding google is a reason as well as any other...
You might also like be away from your computer in that case. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:11:51 +0530 Manu Gupta <manugupt1@gmail.com> wrote:
AFAIK there is no real adblock / privacy filter for it. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi; On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:
Indeed there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded, if you want to force SSL on domains you have to try http:// first , so there is no way to intercept it. For now at least. Regards, ismail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:50:47 +0100 İsmail Dönmez <ismail@namtrac.org> wrote:
Exactly. Which defeats one of the purposes of an ad blocker: protecting your privacy. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 22 Mar 2011 21:52:47 Stefan Seyfried wrote:
So much mis-information in this thread I don't know where to start, but this is a good place. There are java script blockers, flash blockers, add blockers, social media tracking blockers... even Google specific blockers.
Indeed there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded,
100% wrong.
Exactly. Which defeats one of the purposes of an ad blocker: protecting your privacy.
See above, blockers prevent certain page resources from even being requested protecting your privacy and selectively improving your browsing experience. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:29, Graham Anderson wrote:
The AdBlock for Chrome (the most likely extension you'd install to block ads) *used* to just hide the ads. As of version 2.0 of AdBlock prevents the ads from being downloaded... version 2.0 was released quite a while ago. Sadly the initial impression from the early 1.x releases are fixed firmly in the collective memory and most people still think that "there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded" (ie a LOT of people still think this is the case). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi; On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:37 PM, C <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
This is still the case, Adblock for Chrome uses a WebKit onload trick and it works for most ads but it won't work with e.g EFF's HTTPS Everywhere extension. Regards, ismail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:50, İsmail Dönmez wrote:
I assume you're referencing this bug report? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=35897 Some ads do slip through the Chrome AdBlock... and in my experience, some ads still slip through the AdBlock Plus extension in Firefox... ie they are not perfect. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:54, C <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, but the question lies is this a technical fault where some element matched an ad blocking rule, a fault in the rules? And if it's the former is the cause purely the browser? I.e.: if the reason is only "someone hasn't written a decent ad blocker" I don't think that would be a valid reason to discredit the browser. -- Med Vennlig Hilsen, A. Helge Joakimsen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Also I noticed today that Chromium does not support accessibilty, so That is not even a good option ( yes I am backing out of my option) but a browser that does not support accessibilty can not be our default browser On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Andrew Joakimsen <joakimsen@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 09:41, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@gmail.com> wrote:
One point that comes to mind where I would strongly dislike Firefox is they are dead set on how "invalid SSL certificates" are handled. With Chromium, Safari, Internet Explorer, etc, if you visit a website with an "invalid security certificate" the bypass is 1 click. No hassle. the user is presented with a clear message on what they are doing. If they are too dumb to read a message on the screen and act on it, then sorry the rest of the users shouldn't suffer due to this. But in Firefox I think I counted FOUR clicks mandatory to bypass "invalid certificate" messages. This in my eyes is unacceptable. And it's not an error they are dead set on making "invalid certificate" messages be as annoying as possible. -- Med Vennlig Hilsen, A. Helge Joakimsen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andrew Joakimsen schrieb:
With Chromium, Safari, Internet Explorer, etc, if you visit a website with an "invalid security certificate" the bypass is 1 click.
Which is a security problem by itself. No user should be able to override the security certificate unless (s)he knows exactly that this breaks every security assumption and is very probably an attack if it happens on a high-volume site. Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 22:45, Robert Kaiser <KaiRo@kairo.at> wrote:
No, because all of the browsers that I cited (except Internet Explorer) that do SSL warnings the right way make the warning very clear it's something out of the ordinary. Please see the one from google-chrome at the URL below: http://i56.tinypic.com/69f6kn.jpg -- Med Vennlig Hilsen, A. Helge Joakimsen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andrew Joakimsen schrieb:
That doesn't matter as most people just click-through and don't read any text. That's why _any_ way to click through those warning is a security bug. (And nobody needs to remind me of the Comodo cert stuff, I read all about it on our internal Mozilla security group mailing list and I personally think the whole SSL system is flawed but we don't have anything better that is widely established in the website space.) Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 24/03/11 11:09, Robert Kaiser escribió:
I personally think the whole SSL system
Now we agree, it is too complex, waay too many ways to do it wrong, and certificate authorities appears to me to be just money grabbing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El 23/03/11 23:45, Robert Kaiser escribió:
It doesnt really matter that much, certificate authorities are already issuing ilegit certificates, most recently affecting skype,gmail,live.com..etc... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2524375.mspx And, firefox accept certificates from the Chinese goverment.. uh ho. Talking about false sense of security here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Joakimsen <joakimsen@gmail.com> wrote:
I just checked, it is 3 clicks. You can try it here (a sample invalid certificate): https://tv.eurosport.com/ I would agree that one click is too few. I think two clicks might be better. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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