[opensuse-factory] Minimal RAM requirement
Hi, what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both graphical and text mode? We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited RAM. Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on machines with little RAM. What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist already. Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
vetter wrote:
Hi,
what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both graphical and text mode?
We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited RAM.
Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on machines with little RAM.
What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist already.
Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version.
If you have interest in small installation you can look at MiniSUSE project. Now when Andreas is looking for basic pattern, MiniSUSE has to redefine project goals, for instance to develop test procedure for minimal systems, so that results can be compared. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M wrote:
vetter wrote:
Hi,
what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both graphical and text mode?
We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited RAM.
Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on machines with little RAM.
What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist already.
Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version.
If you have interest in small installation you can look at MiniSUSE project. Now when Andreas is looking for basic pattern, MiniSUSE has to redefine project goals, for instance to develop test procedure for minimal systems, so that results can be compared.
Not only installation, but also desktop needs much memory. There is a result of my attempt to use SuSE Linux 10.1 on a 192 MB / 333 MHz company notebook. I am using GNOME desktop. After following changes, I am able to use it without big problems. 0. Installation Run time: Installation 12 hours, Online Update 10 hours Proposed solution: Before YaST goes to build catalogs, switch to the console, create and mount swap partition. Remember to NOT configure this partition in YaST, and add it manually to /etc/fstab later. Then wait. 1. YaST Package manager Start time: 45 minutes You cannot get rid it. Start only text installation after boot when nobody is logged in to save some memory (it decreases start time to about 50%). Reserve one day for running initial Online Updates. Reserve several hours for each subsequent Online Update. Do not touch the machine in this time. If possible, do not use Package Manager, install packages by rpm, then run SuSEconfig (decreases installation time to about 3%). 2. Zen updater Start time: Makes machine unusable for about 35 minutes after each login. Proposed solution: Remove zen-updater and related packages (zmd, rug). 3. Beagle Start time: Undefined, but often makes desktop unusable. Proposed solution: Remove beagle and related packages. 4. Adobe Acrobat Reader Start time: 15 minutes Proposed solution: Use evince instead, remove Acrobat plugin. Evince starts quickly, and even if it renders slowly, you wait ten times less. 5. Evolution -> New Mail Start time: 10 minutes Proposed solution: Disable spell checker. Decreases start time to about 2%. 6. Tomboy New note time: 1 minute Proposed solution: Remove it from panel, maybe disable spell checker. 7. gnome-main-menu (probably required in SLED10 or 10.2) Eats about 180MB of virtual memory. Proposed solution: Use standard GNOME menu. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec@suse.cz> writes:
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5. Evolution -> New Mail
Start time: 10 minutes
Proposed solution: Disable spell checker. Decreases start time to about 2%.
Please file a bug.
6. Tomboy
New note time: 1 minute
Proposed solution: Remove it from panel, maybe disable spell checker.
7. gnome-main-menu (probably required in SLED10 or 10.2)
Eats about 180MB of virtual memory.
I consider this a bug worth filing in bugzilla.
Proposed solution: Use standard GNOME menu.
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec@suse.cz> writes:
5. Evolution -> New Mail
Start time: 10 minutes
Proposed solution: Disable spell checker. Decreases start time to about 2%.
Please file a bug.
It was already discussed and this status is after fixing this bug. Before it, it was even about 10 times slower: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=127570 Maybe I should re-open it, even if on standard desktop systems it is now acceptable.
7. gnome-main-menu (probably required in SLED10 or 10.2)
Eats about 180MB of virtual memory.
I consider this a bug worth filing in bugzilla.
Proposed solution: Use standard GNOME menu.
Seems to be already fixed and released as a hotfix: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=177414 -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 12:41 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Rajko M wrote:
vetter wrote:
Hi,
what is the minimal amount of RAM required to do a installation? Both graphical and text mode?
We are working on a pattern for a minimal installation for 10.2, which would make it interesting again for small/old machines with very limited RAM.
Perhaps one could strip down the text mode installer somehow to run on machines with little RAM.
What do you think? BTW, there is something like that on the wishlist already.
Maybe too late for 10.2, but next version.
If you have interest in small installation you can look at MiniSUSE project. Now when Andreas is looking for basic pattern, MiniSUSE has to redefine project goals, for instance to develop test procedure for minimal systems, so that results can be compared.
Not only installation, but also desktop needs much memory.
There is a result of my attempt to use SuSE Linux 10.1 on a 192 MB / 333 MHz company notebook.
I am using GNOME desktop.
After following changes, I am able to use it without big problems.
0. Installation
Run time: Installation 12 hours, Online Update 10 hours
Proposed solution: Before YaST goes to build catalogs, switch to the console, create and mount swap partition. Remember to NOT configure this partition in YaST, and add it manually to /etc/fstab later. Then wait.
1. YaST Package manager
Start time: 45 minutes
You cannot get rid it. Start only text installation after boot when nobody is logged in to save some memory (it decreases start time to about 50%). Reserve one day for running initial Online Updates. Reserve several hours for each subsequent Online Update. Do not touch the machine in this time. If possible, do not use Package Manager, install packages by rpm, then run SuSEconfig (decreases installation time to about 3%).
2. Zen updater
Start time: Makes machine unusable for about 35 minutes after each login.
Proposed solution: Remove zen-updater and related packages (zmd, rug).
3. Beagle
Start time: Undefined, but often makes desktop unusable.
Proposed solution: Remove beagle and related packages.
4. Adobe Acrobat Reader
Start time: 15 minutes
Proposed solution: Use evince instead, remove Acrobat plugin. Evince starts quickly, and even if it renders slowly, you wait ten times less.
5. Evolution -> New Mail
Start time: 10 minutes
Proposed solution: Disable spell checker. Decreases start time to about 2%.
6. Tomboy
New note time: 1 minute
Proposed solution: Remove it from panel, maybe disable spell checker.
7. gnome-main-menu (probably required in SLED10 or 10.2)
Eats about 180MB of virtual memory.
Proposed solution: Use standard GNOME menu.
Nice figures, but it does not say much without background info on what is installed and started up. By default, much programs are "preloaded". In systems running low on memmory, it will cause premature swapping. so disable the pre-loading !!! How many and what services had you running in the background? At work I have a 10.1 dhcp/dns/nptd/tftp server running on 200MB, which is using just half of it. otoh, a full blown KDE/gnome compile beast which is used for transcoding video, could easily use 8GB. Hans -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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