Am 20.01.2012 16:50, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:

Is there a link to the "various parts" you mention?

No, unfortunately there is not exactly a list of distinct actions. Maintaining the live cds is basically the only thing that I can think of that stands on its own. The rest is basically keeping on eye on the overall quality of factory and not just single set of packages. There is not a good howto for that. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 20.01.2012 17:28, schrieb Felix Miata:

Unsortable jibberish. Why can't/don't/won't development people use ISO standard-based dates? http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/iso-date

I thought about 3 different replies similarly offending, but just to show that development people are superior to those people having nothing to add to the discussion, let me reduce it to this: It's already sorted, Felix! Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday, January 20, 2012 12:18:50 PM Felix Miata wrote:

The question remains why devs so infrequently use ISO dating and seem to prefer little endianness, which is not capable of being simply sorted like [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]] is.

In some countries, including Germany, it is used DD.MM.[YY[YY].] , just as it is used MM/DD/YY[YY] or MM-DD-YY[YY], in US, and no one has a problem with that; well, at least those that are not exposed a bit to one then the other. You may imagine that no one is used to [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]], it always requires mental effort to write and read such date. So, little endianness is not someones invention, but common way to write date in some regions of the world. The only problem that confused me too is missing end dot in 9.2 (I expected 9.2. as in 9th of February) which might not be required by German rules, but it is in some other regions as it signifies ordered numbers, like 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ie. respective 1., 2., 3., 4. etc, in contrast to 1,2,3,4 as in quantity. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:59:29 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2012/01/21 17:44 (GMT-0600) Rajko M. composed:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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The question remains why devs so infrequently use ISO dating and seem to prefer little endianness, which is not capable of being simply sorted like [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]] is.

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In some countries, including Germany, it is used DD.MM.[YY[YY].] , just as it is used MM/DD/YY[YY] or MM-DD-YY[YY], in US, and no one has a problem with that; well,

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at least those that are not exposed a bit to one then the other.

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Well, duh, which is precisely the reason why I posted....

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You may imagine that no one is used to [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]], it always requires mental effort to write and read such date.

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So, little endianness is not someones invention, but common way to write date in some regions of the world.

International mailing lists and other software development forums and tools are not single region, but worldwide, and I've been witnessing the confusion regional variation causes in these places since before Y2K. It's not as bad when four digit years are used, but isn't it better to have most conforming to a simple standard? ISO came up with a perfectly rational (& numerically perfect) recommendation, and none I'm aware of have shown any better suggestions. Why is it people writing where such confusion abounds can't adopt that recommendation at least for their international audiences?

Hi Felix and all others; People as a group are not willing to give up their habits and ways. "If it was okay in the past it's okay for the present and future" is the attitude. Yes, it takes a finite amount of time and effort to change our ways but the rewards can be worth it. As pointed out earlier, sorting is much simpler using the ISO date standard and becomes second nature after a short while. It would avoid ambiguity when peoples communicate between different regions/countries. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 openSUSE 12.1 KDE 4.6.00, FF 4.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 8.0 claws-mail 3.7.9 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Cristian Rodríguez [01-21-12 19:10]:

On 21/01/12 20:44, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Friday, January 20, 2012 12:18:50 PM Felix Miata wrote:

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The question remains why devs so infrequently use ISO dating and seem to prefer little endianness, which is not capable of being simply sorted like [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]] is.

In some countries, including Germany,

And all south and central america, probably most countries in the EU as well..

Why we are discussing time and date formats here is a better question though :-)

Because they can; there is no moderator and perhaps it is time to have one. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:15:28 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Cristian Rodríguez [01-21-12 19:10]:

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On 21/01/12 20:44, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Friday, January 20, 2012 12:18:50 PM Felix Miata wrote:

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The question remains why devs so infrequently use ISO dating and seem to prefer little endianness, which is not capable of being simply sorted like [YYYY]MMDD[HH[MM[SS]]] is.

In some countries, including Germany,

And all south and central america, probably most countries in the EU as well..

Why we are discussing time and date formats here is a better question though :-)

Because they can; there is no moderator and perhaps it is time to have one.

I've been exposed to both and used both. Only took a little thought to figure out the dates. Perhaps to avoid this situation use spelled out month (i.e. 9 Feb), then there would be no ambiguity. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 openSUSE 12.1 KDE 4.6.00, FF 4.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 8.0 claws-mail 3.7.9 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/01/12 04:52, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am 20.01.2012 17:28, schrieb Felix Miata:

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Unsortable jibberish. Why can't/don't/won't development people use ISO standard-based dates? http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/iso-date

I thought about 3 different replies similarly offending, but just to show that development people are superior to those people having nothing to add to the discussion, let me reduce it to this:

It's already sorted, Felix!

Excellent reply!

Greetings, Stephan

BC -- It is in the nature of things that every time you try to avoid one danger you run into another. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/24/2012 10:47 AM, Joop Boonen wrote:

Hi,

On Fri, January 20, 2012 3:31 pm, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

I wait now for> 24 hours for www.suse.de to sync out my directory and it won't happen.

So I synced it to my private web page for you to review:

http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_12.2/

9.2 - Milestone 1 8.3 - Milestone 2 5.4 - Milestone 3 26.4 - Milestone 4 24.5 - Beta 1 14.6 - RC 1 28.6 - RC 2 6.7 - GM 11.7 - 12.2

What are the current plans for the ARM distro. Will we also follow this? I hope we will.

If you make it, I'm more than happy. But let's not delay 12.2 overall because of ARM - we can make a separate announcement if needed. So, please discuss with the ARM team and decide whether you want to join in... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/24/2012 05:21 PM, Joop Boonen wrote:

Hi Andreas, Andrew,

On Tue, January 24, 2012 3:43 pm, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On 01/24/2012 10:47 AM, Joop Boonen wrote:

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Hi,

On Fri, January 20, 2012 3:31 pm, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

I wait now for> 24 hours for www.suse.de to sync out my directory and it won't happen.

So I synced it to my private web page for you to review:

http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_12.2/

9.2 - Milestone 1 8.3 - Milestone 2 5.4 - Milestone 3 26.4 - Milestone 4 24.5 - Beta 1 14.6 - RC 1 28.6 - RC 2 6.7 - GM 11.7 - 12.2

What are the current plans for the ARM distro. Will we also follow this? I hope we will.

If you make it, I'm more than happy. But let's not delay 12.2 overall because of ARM - we can make a separate announcement if needed.

So, please discuss with the ARM team and decide whether you want to join in...

Andrew, do know what the current planning is?

Andreas, do you know, if it would be an option to have a 12.2-unstable or 12.2-testing release at the end. So we have a more stable release for people who want to experiment with openSUSE on ARM.

I think it would be a great success if you have a "for testing" release.

I'm still working on fixing ARM packages. So I hope they consider me joined in.

Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org