[opensuse-factory] Dracut in Beta 1?

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Roman Bysh

16 Sep 2013 16 Sep '13

18:35

Hello Listmates, Are we going to see dracut for testing in Beta 1? -- Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! ------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Per Jessen

16 Sep 16 Sep

18:39

Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello Listmates,

Are we going to see dracut for testing in Beta 1?

I haven't checked since I played with dracut before my summer hols, but I think the answer is the same as last time - dracut is present and can be used to create the initrd, but use of it has not been integrated into the distro/yast. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

18:46

On 09/16/2013 02:39 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello Listmates,

Are we going to see dracut for testing in Beta 1?

I haven't checked since I played with dracut before my summer hols, but I think the answer is the same as last time - dracut is present and can be used to create the initrd, but use of it has not been integrated into the distro/yast.

It's being advertised as the replacement for mkinitrd for quite some time. See: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Goals_13.1 -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

17 Sep 17 Sep

05:36

Roman Bysh wrote:

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On 09/16/2013 02:39 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello Listmates,

Are we going to see dracut for testing in Beta 1?

I haven't checked since I played with dracut before my summer hols, but I think the answer is the same as last time - dracut is present and can be used to create the initrd, but use of it has not been integrated into the distro/yast.

It's being advertised as the replacement for mkinitrd for quite some time.

See: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Goals_13.1

The first line on that page says: "suggested goals". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

16 Sep 16 Sep

21:48

El 16/09/13 15:35, Roman Bysh escribió:

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Hello Listmates,

Are we going to see dracut for testing in Beta 1?

Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later. -- "Judging by their response, the meanest thing you can do to people on the Internet is to give them really good software for free". - Anil Dash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stefan Seyfried

17 Sep 17 Sep

06:27

Am 16.09.2013 23:48, schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

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Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later.

Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-) kdump is completely missing for example. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jeffrey Cheung

06:41

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On 9/17/2013 at 02:27 PM, in message <5237F664.7050400@message-id.googlemail.com>, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Am 16.09.2013 23:48, schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

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Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later.

Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

kdump is completely missing for example.

I think that the upstream still discuss the Kexec/Kdump with Secure boot. This THU at Linux Plumbers Conference, http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013/ocw/sessions/1095 >>> Discuss how to make kexec/kdump work with secureboot regards, Jeffrey

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-- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Stefan Seyfried

06:54

Hi Jeffrey, Am 17.09.2013 08:41, schrieb Jeffrey Cheung:

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On 9/17/2013 at 02:27 PM, in message <5237F664.7050400@message-id.googlemail.com>, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

kdump is completely missing for example.

I think that the upstream still discuss the Kexec/Kdump with Secure boot.

This THU at Linux Plumbers Conference, http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013/ocw/sessions/1095 >>> Discuss how to make kexec/kdump work with secureboot

I don't have secure boot (lucky me and my old hardware :-) but still no kdump with dracut. So it's quite clear that SLES12 will not be able to use dracut in its current form => there will be a maintained mkinitrd version which is good enough for me. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jeffrey Cheung

07:17

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On 9/17/2013 at 02:54 PM, in message <5237FCBF.9020308@message-id.googlemail.com>, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Hi Jeffrey,

Am 17.09.2013 08:41, schrieb Jeffrey Cheung:

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On 9/17/2013 at 02:27 PM, in message <5237F664.7050400@message-id.googlemail.com>, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

kdump is completely missing for example.

I think that the upstream still discuss the Kexec/Kdump with Secure boot.

This THU at Linux Plumbers Conference, http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013/ocw/sessions/1095 >>> Discuss how to make kexec/kdump work with secureboot

I don't have secure boot (lucky me and my old hardware :-) but still no kdump with dracut. So it's quite clear that SLES12 will not be able to use dracut in its current form => there will be a maintained mkinitrd version which is good enough for me.

From openfate https://features.opensuse.org/310491 ( Add dracut to openSUSE ), Frederic @comment#14 (2011-12-15 14:27) list the following missing features in dracut :

dsdt support (skeleton in place) blogd cifs rtc / zoneinfo EC2 (but it is just a workaround) kdump mtab "migration" "supported" option for kernel module netconsole May be this still true for 12.x and even 13.1 beta if no one update or enhance ? So, your old machine can not use kdump under Dracut. Then this is not related to Kexec/Kdump work with UEFI(secure boot) topic anymore. thanks, Jeffrey

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-- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Jan Engelhardt

12:16

On Tuesday 2013-09-17 09:17, Jeffrey Cheung wrote:

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From openfate https://features.opensuse.org/310491 ( Add dracut to openSUSE ), Frederic @comment#14 (2011-12-15 14:27) list the following missing features in dracut :

dsdt support (skeleton in place) blogd

But blogd is obsolete now that we have systemd, right? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

20:25

El 17/09/13 09:16, Jan Engelhardt escribió:

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On Tuesday 2013-09-17 09:17, Jeffrey Cheung wrote:

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From openfate https://features.opensuse.org/310491 ( Add dracut to openSUSE ), Frederic @comment#14 (2011-12-15 14:27) list the following missing features in dracut :

dsdt support (skeleton in place) blogd

But blogd is obsolete now that we have systemd, right?

Yes, it is obsolete.. I dont know why it is on the list. Also last time I checked the "DSDT override" did not work, not because of userspace but the kernel. (things might have changed in the meanwhile) -- "Judging by their response, the meanest thing you can do to people on the Internet is to give them really good software for free". - Anil Dash -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

11:50

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:41:20AM -0600, Jeffrey Cheung wrote:

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On 9/17/2013 at 02:27 PM, in message <5237F664.7050400@message-id.googlemail.com>, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Am 16.09.2013 23:48, schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

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Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later.

Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

kdump is completely missing for example.

I think that the upstream still discuss the Kexec/Kdump with Secure boot.

kexec / kdump works just fine with UEFI secure boot. I've got it working and had no issues with it operating properly. The "issue" is that some people want to restrict kexec / kdump when secure boot is enabled, but that's a totally different topic :)

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This THU at Linux Plumbers Conference, http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2013/ocw/sessions/1095 >>> Discuss how to make kexec/kdump work with secureboot

Yes, that's going to be a fun time :) greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Frederic Crozat

07:59

Le mardi 17 septembre 2013 à 08:27 +0200, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :

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Am 16.09.2013 23:48, schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

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Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later.

Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

Nope, there is some work in progress by Thomas on implementing the missing features in dracut (unfortunately, the kdump stuff we are using isn't shipping with dracut modules, unlike the kdump (different :( implementation in Fedora.). -- Frederic Crozat SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roman Bysh

16:06

On 09/17/2013 03:59 AM, Frederic Crozat wrote:

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Le mardi 17 septembre 2013 à 08:27 +0200, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :

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Am 16.09.2013 23:48, schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:

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Dracut is included in 13.1 beta 1 and works just fine, however it is not the default initrd generator, that task will probably need to be accomplished for 13.2 or later.

Looking at the missing feature set, i'd guess it will be "or later" :-)

Nope, there is some work in progress by Thomas on implementing the missing features in dracut (unfortunately, the kdump stuff we are using isn't shipping with dracut modules, unlike the kdump (different :( implementation in Fedora.).

Looks like dracut for 13.2 - 13.3. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Cristian Rodríguez
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Jan Engelhardt
Jeffrey Cheung
Per Jessen
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Stefan Seyfried