[opensuse-factory] 13.1 GM
The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there will be no GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/2013 07:19 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there will be no GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA?
There is never a difference between GM and GA, other than the publicity. Did you see the Email from Coolo that announced the locking of the 13.1 repos on Nov. 8? In it, he announced that it was GM. Running 'zypper up' on RC2 gets you GM, and the final release. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/13 12:26, Larry Finger wrote:
On 11/10/2013 07:19 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
The release of 13.1 is now well overdue so can I/we assume that there will be no GM but that the next release will be the final product, GA?
There is never a difference between GM and GA, other than the publicity.
Did you see the Email from Coolo that announced the locking of the 13.1 repos on Nov. 8? In it, he announced that it was GM. Running 'zypper up' on RC2 gets you GM, and the final release.
Larry
Thanks Larry. Yes I did see his e-mail - but I am also looking here: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap which shows a difference between GM and GA - so what is a girl supposed to conclude? :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.11.2 & kernel 3.12.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 OC 2GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/10/2013 07:34 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
Thanks Larry. Yes I did see his e-mail - but I am also looking here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
which shows a difference between GM and GA - so what is a girl supposed to conclude? :-)
The difference is that the GM is not released to the general public the way the GA is. It would be rare for there to be any difference of the content of the iso files. They will be renamed to get rid of any build info in the file name, but no change in the code. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability? The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material. Query term e.g. opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2 -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports Is this the real stuff? <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> Also test-list contain some hash to some iso from some day ago. <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-testing/2013-11/> Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability? The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material. Query term e.g. opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2 -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
Is this the real stuff? <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
I sent the admins a note Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability? The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material. Query term e.g. opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2 -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
Is this the real stuff? <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
I sent the admins a note
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of release dates and stuff :( On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability? The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material. Query term e.g. opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2 -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
Is this the real stuff? <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
I sent the admins a note
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
Greetings, Stephan
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Quoting cagsm <cumandgets0mem00f@gmail.com>:
is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of release dates and stuff :(
Maybe I am wrong, but what Stephan says is that there is a 403 error code, not that is 'illegal' in any sense. The problem with the release date are the mirrors. We need to give time to the mirrors to propagate the data.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
On 13.11.2013 13:38, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 13.11.2013 12:58, cagsm wrote:
Good day, is this 13.1 goldmaster available for fetchability? The search engines display accessible bits of downloadworthy material. Query term e.g. opensuse distribution/13.1/iso/ -milestone0 -milestone1 -milestone2 -milestone3 -milestone4 -rc1 -rc2 -beta1 -beta2 -ports
Is this the real stuff? <http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.optus.net/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://www.pnms.cn/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/> <http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/13.1/iso/>
I sent the admins a note
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
Greetings, Stephan
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[please stop top-posting, this is a technical list.]
On November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM cagsm <cumandgets0mem00f@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of release dates and stuff :(
Come on, every time the same lame discussion before a release ... The release date is simply not yet reached. Period. Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start distributing the bits on the distributed means as torrents and more and later opening up mirrors to the classic http-ftp style of people. how hard is that? also you say release date is not there yet still opensuse always starts the file repos pretty much immediately after rc2 or gm state has reached, but isos and the fullfiles or even deltas are being kept in the dark much longer. this is retarded. you are right. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Bernhard Voelker <mail@bernhard-voelker.de> wrote:
[please stop top-posting, this is a technical list.]
On November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM cagsm <cumandgets0mem00f@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
Actually - none of the ISOs can be downloaded
is downloading illegal? are you calling the lawenforcement or what is the trouble with it? why not giving us the hashcodes and metainformation early for us to check on these downloads that are always somewhere accessible instead of following strict regime of release dates and stuff :(
Come on, every time the same lame discussion before a release ...
The release date is simply not yet reached. Period.
Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On 11/13/2013 09:15 AM, cagsm pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start distributing the bits on the distributed means as torrents and more and later opening up mirrors to the classic http-ftp style of people. how hard is that? also you say release date is not there yet still opensuse always starts the file repos pretty much immediately after rc2 or gm state has reached, but isos and the fullfiles or even deltas are being kept in the dark much longer. this is retarded. you are right.
If you cannot wait for the release date then do a net install. That iso is available. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-11-13 at 15:15 +0100, cagsm wrote:
This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start
You don't understand. You can't release before all the mirrors have got their copies ready. If they try to release too early the downloads will hammer on a very few number of mirrors, because the rest will not be listed, or if listed they will not have the images, or the paths. You have to give time for the administrators of the mirrors to prepare the changes. This time is also used by the marketing team to prepare the texts. Also you have to write the release notes, license texts... and then you have to ask the translators to translate, which also take time. Days, actually. Please be patient. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKI76MACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wk4QCeKGjhieSDG8piO5n3x6JsVPmd BkgAniz7+6rYVCloMCZLjtRxC+Mai8IS =caVO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1 release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant opensuse experience. On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Wednesday, 2013-11-13 at 15:15 +0100, cagsm wrote:
This is retarded I agree with you :). Seriously let the mirrors keep up with the stuff, thats why we have such stuff as aria and bulk distro means such as torrents and whatever else. Those things are dependable and can be hammered and battered much better than single place of fail servers and stuff. Why not immediately start
You don't understand. You can't release before all the mirrors have got their copies ready. If they try to release too early the downloads will hammer on a very few number of mirrors, because the rest will not be listed, or if listed they will not have the images, or the paths.
You have to give time for the administrators of the mirrors to prepare the changes. This time is also used by the marketing team to prepare the texts. Also you have to write the release notes, license texts... and then you have to ask the translators to translate, which also take time. Days, actually.
Please be patient.
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On Sunday 17 November 2013 17.59:00 cagsm wrote:
uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1 release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant opensuse experience.
Just answers to fud. We have a way to do release, perhaps not the better one, but tests help us between the whole factory cycle and especially from beta to RC2. Trying to be good neighbors with people than maintain openSUSE's mirrors is just a question of acting like responsible people. You're talking about torrent, are you able to sustain the quantity of data spread around during launch time. I guess you have no ideas about the numbers. Did you also know, that the project is looking for early seeders, to help the mass on release date. We're looking for smart ass that will be able to pre get & share the torrent. Are you in ? Now you're already send them to the mass, I just hope that enough people will play their role of seeder, and keep the connection and share open for one month. You're describing a feeling, (the dislike stuff) but have you facts, that could help the different teams, and the project in global to act (react) better ? If not, or if you don't want to do somethings, you're just wasting characters. It's always a bit more complicated to act than to judge or emit ideas & feeling. About the re-release : That's why you could add *-update repositories during install and thus get the update in one pass. No need to wait like others distributions their re-released stuff. This is documented in proper docs. Also most of the time, Live cd are released, with *updates on them. Allowing to do what you describe. Now I would say, that nobody will forbid you to do the job of a release, but for sure there's some rules to follow. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through other means, perhaps only from the main server. I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with a matching torrent hash). Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990 on it. -- View this message in context: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/13-1-GM-tp5002933p5003486.html Sent from the opensuse-factory mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
the asc and hash files are also available <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00445.html> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, macpacheco <marcelo@macp.eti.br> wrote:
I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through other means, perhaps only from the main server. I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with a matching torrent hash). Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990 on it.
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Hi, there is a lot of work to do between GM and GA (Release day). Please check the link to see the tasks that need to be done: * https://progress.opensuse.org/versions/47 As you can see, there are many non-technical tasks too. On Monday 18 November 2013 10:18:04 cagsm wrote:
the asc and hash files are also available <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00445.html>
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, macpacheco <marcelo@macp.eti.br> wrote:
I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through other means, perhaps only from the main server. I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with a matching torrent hash). Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990 on it.
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Hi, sorry for cross-posting On Monday 18 November 2013 17:04:03 agustin benito bethencourt wrote:
Hi,
there is a lot of work to do between GM and GA (Release day). Please check the link to see the tasks that need to be done:
* https://progress.opensuse.org/versions/47
As you can see, there are many non-technical tasks too.
On Monday 18 November 2013 10:18:04 cagsm wrote:
the asc and hash files are also available <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00445.html>
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, macpacheco <marcelo@macp.eti.br> wrote:
I agree that mirrors should come up with the .isos at the same time, but the .torrent, .md5, .sha1 should be made available much sooner, even if through other means, perhaps only from the main server. I found the 13.1 torrent with the same hash published through alternate means, downloaded it just to seed, didn`t use it because I had no means of authenticating it (still don't since I'm not sure I can trust the post with a matching torrent hash). Right now I'd like to get the hot torrent file so I could be ready to seed now (about 6 hours ahead), torrent file that as tracker.opensuse.org:6990 on it.
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All official release work don't need to be an impediment to let experienced users get their hands on the official release ASAP. Most of those steps in the flow are marketing related. BTW, I just activated a USA hosting with 5TB monthly quota, that I should need just about 1% of that for my business needs, let me know when 13.2 torrents are available, I'm interested in early seeding. Also BTW, I developed a extended initial seeding patch to rtorrent that improves distributed copy availability (the sum of what all downloaders have, how many copies they have in aggregate), without this it was rare to see more than 2-4 distributed copies, even with 200 leechers connected, now I routinelly see 10 distributed copies, which greatly improves uploading between leechers. Marcelo Pacheco Linux/Internet/Database/VOIP/C/Python specialist, yes, expert in all of that -- View this message in context: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/13-1-GM-tp5002933p5003939.html Sent from the opensuse-factory mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 2013-11-22 11:00, macpacheco wrote:
Also BTW, I developed a extended initial seeding patch to rtorrent that improves distributed copy availability
Is that already in rtorrent 0.9.3/libtorrent 0.13.3? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
No, I its my own development. And its very recent. The classic initial seed (super seed) algorithm is geared towards usage as the sole seeder of the torrent. This algorithm permits continuously seeding in this mode, be it sole seeder, or hundreds of other seeders The mods are: 1 - This mode never ends (must manually change to normal seeding) 2 - All seeders are disconnected 3 - Whenever a next chunk needs to be offered, look for the next 999 chunks, for the least available chunk (don't need to keep a map of already offered chunks anymore) The lastest changes were done less than 24hrs ago, I'm making sure rtorrent stays stable, before offering this mod to the world. A large swarm like OpenSuSE 13.1 DVD x86_64 makes for a very tough test, and it seems fine. The rationale is: 1 - Initial seed shows itself to other leecher as a leecher, so I can choose what chunks to offer (nothing new) 2 - By continuously offering rare chunks instead of whatever the leecher wants, we can make for a far more healthy swarm (10 distributed copies along 200 leechers + 10 seeders should be far more effective than 50 seeders and no distributed copies), consider that 10 distributed copies along 200 leechers probably means 90% of the chunks have 50 sources to download from 3 - This is the best means to force leechers to download from leechers, minimizing the effects of hit and run leechers and reverse tit for tat (leechers that purposedly upload only a fraction of what they download), this is far more important on wild west torrents (where there's a preponderance of hit and run/reverse tit for tat behavior), but it helps nonetheless. OpenSuSE 13.1 has already passed the bump (it's extremely well seeded already), so I'd like to see the effects of this on the next time. One extra technique I would add would be to have regional seeders (that only accept connections from the same continent, like 1-Americas, 2-Europe+Africa, 3-Oceania+West Asia, 4-Middle East, with possible country specific seeders, on countries with strong peering mechanics like my Brazil), this is something that regular mirrors can't avoid (people downloading from far away mirrors), the dynamic nature of torrent allows for this, since you don't need to officially list seeders for leechers to choose from. With both techniques, I see no technical need to offer http/ftp mirrors, those might only have a valid marketing reason to be made available. -- View this message in context: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/13-1-GM-tp5002933p5003945.html Sent from the opensuse-factory mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
macpacheco wrote:
With both techniques, I see no technical need to offer http/ftp mirrors, those might only have a valid marketing reason to be made available.
Maybe for speed? For my own torrent seeder, I was able to download the ISOs at about 80MB/sec. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.4°C) http://opensuse.jessen.ch/ - torrent status page -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I downloaded/seeded SuSE from two different places: 1 - 35Mbps/3Mbps broadband at home office (Brazil) 2 - Full fast ethernet (100/100) hosting in USA In both cases I was able to download at full speed. The beauty of torrent is it completely eliminates any mirror choice considerations from users, it downloads from everywhere. ISPs are free to offer private torrent mirrors to reduce backbone load. No need to capture http connections with a transparent proxy for acceleration. Regional mirrors can be tuned to seed only to the optimal IP list. Don't know how much those large 10Gbps links cost... With torrent, the distributed aspect allows you to get away with 1/10th of bandwidth on the main repository and mirrors, because all downloaders become mirrors as soon as they finish their downloads, and are partial mirrors even during the download. But bandwidth is so cheap and getting cheaper every year. Torrent technology is capable of managing enormous scenarios, the most popular torrent ever resulted in one million downloads in a single day, with a peak of 16000 simultaneous users. I could only wish OpenSuSE one day will be that successful (tens of millions of downloads in the first month, perhaps 100 million installations). I don't know if it would ever make any sense in not offering http downloads anymore... It was more of a technological prowess statement than anything. Perhaps one day encourage users to use torrent anywhere possible. Its amazing looking at the torrent peer stats for 13.1, 5 seeders per leecher (downloader) or more (like 1200 seeders for 250 downloaders, 600 seeders for 100 downloaders). -- View this message in context: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/13-1-GM-tp5002933p5004088.html Sent from the opensuse-factory mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:59:00 +0100 cagsm wrote:
uhm, thats why they invented torrents like ages ago. releasing the stuff to masses early potentially gives a hole lot of more and better early "final" testing in case there is mess with the release. I also dislike that often opensuse had too many trouble on the final goldmaster bits especially for install and upgrade scenarios and this never gets addressed the whole userbase has to wait for the n+1 release of opensuse and pray for salvation that that release wont give them the trouble the n-release is giving them. debian and others do re-releases of their stuff over the maintenance period where especially bugs and their fixes in the installers, bootloaders and other essential stuff would help the userbase to have a more pleasant opensuse experience.
You lost the "Shift" button? Message formatting would be good also.
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