[opensuse-factory] Adobe is shutting down the flash player by 2020
Looks like Adobe has officially set a kill date for Flash. No more releases and fixes to flash players for Windows, Mac and Linux. That's it. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2017-07-28 16:20 GMT-03:00 Roman Bysh <geeko.tor@gmx.com>:
Yes! Adobe is pushing html5 https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-html5-canvas-docum... Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/07/17 09:06 AM, Juan Erbes wrote:
Somehow I can't see Adobe pushing out an 'update' to flash player that simply puts up a screen saying that they are discontinuing it and that developers should use HTML5 instead. That would be one way to purge the world of buggy flash. It would also pizz a lot of people off break a lot of subsystems, possibly some like the previously mentioned Cisco UIs, that are critical, and open up a market for 3rd party backward compatible software of dubious quality. If Adobe couldn't get a bug-free flash player who else could? And if they could, why haven't they already captured the market in the way 1-2-3 did and MS-Office in turn did? perhaps its that the flash model is inherently flawed or that it's too complex. -- "Quality refers to the extent to which processes, products, services, and relationships are free from defects, constraints and items which do not add value." -- Dr. Mildred G Pryor, 1995 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29-07-17 15:20, Anton Aylward wrote:
They're way ahead of you: To more accurately represent its position as the premier animation tool for the web and beyond, Flash Professional will be renamed Adobe Animate CC, starting with the next release in early 2016. -- https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/welcome-adobe-animate-cc-a-new-era-for... So they're in effect pushing their animation tool Adobe Animate CC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2017-07-29 10:26 GMT-03:00 Mari Donkers <opensuse@photonsphere.org>:
I have installed flash-player from the Packman repo, and it works fine. Today I made a new: "zypper dup --from Packman" And they was a new update of the flash-player . Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/07/17 09:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The web will stop using flash, but there are training courses done in Flash, which will not be ported. And people has paid for those materials.
We can be sure that there are government and/or military agencies that still have documents in WordPerfect format that requires DO3 or earlier file system support for that early version of WordPerfect. "You Tax Dollars At Work". I just hope that this is not the case when it comes to matters such as -- life or safety critical systems -- banking systems -- people I have to do business with The dead should be buried. When they won't stay buried then its the business of fantasy and horror writers (& TV and movie producer), not of programmers and sysadmins and web users. -- "I think there is a world market for about five computers." Thomas J. Watson, chairman of the board of IBM, 1943 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/07/17 00:10, Anton Aylward wrote:
Unfortunately, there is such a phenomenon called "The Walking Dead". While unannounced, there is still support from MS for Windows XP. The Liquor Shop in our little shopping centre still runs XP, and the other day I caught a glimpse of the newsroom (in the back ground) of one of our major TV networks and there was a monitor with the Windows XP screensaver, in all its resplendent colours, bouncing from edge to edge...:-). BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
This is all just noise on the factory list. Please keep off topic chatter elsewhere. This is not openSUSE software. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 6:09 PM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
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2017-07-29 22:13 GMT-03:00 Steven Hess <flamebait@gmail.com>:
You are right, but.... With Youtube the flash-player of the Packman repo, worked fine. But today with the homebanking, was a headache of the slow and the blockages that the load of the pages of the bank suffered, using Firefox in Leap 42.3. Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/07/2017 21:20, Roman Bysh wrote:
There's a petition for Adobe to open source flash, add a star if you have a github account. https://github.com/pakastin/open-source-flash Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Roman Bysh <geeko.tor@gmx.com> [07-31-17 15:50]: [...]
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
Agreed. I wonder if Adobe are working on a product to translate Flash into HTML5. Although there is a market, I guess it does not have a future. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/07/17 03:47 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:
In my DatabaseOfDotSigQuotes there is this: The proof that IBM didn't invent the car is that it has a steering wheel and an accelerator instead of spurs and ropes, to be compatible with a horse. -- Jac Goudsmit Sometimes it is important to let go of the past in order to make progress. My great fear with open sourcing code as clearly buggy (and probably complex, which is why it was maintenance nightmare and cascaded further bugs) as the Adobe flash player is that it will be used as a learning example in the wrong way. If it is held up as a "Don't Do this" example, that's one thing, but if its going to form the base of a FOSS project to preserver the 'product' then I think it will serve as both a bad example and will suck in effort that could be better used elsewhere. I recall back in the 1980s when I was asked to do a study on the impact of the code base change from the V7 Unix of Dennis and the original Gang to the 'professional' code base produced by USG. I was horrified. The simple, clear code I had grew up on, had learnt C from, was being replaced with bloated, highly entropic spaghetti code that was far from clear. The structure analysers I used to assess quality of code completely balked on the USG equivalents of V7 programs that they handled nicely. When Rob Pike spoke of things like "do one thing and do it well" he was addressing matters like "'Cat -n' Considered harmful' as a principle. But it runs deeper than that. Years later I compared Bill Joy's original VI code-base against an early version of VIM. Bill's code did not come out well. The VIM had been re-implemented against functionality rather than by being based upon and tweaking Bill's code. That's a good thing. Bill had coded with an enormous number of global variables (often used instead of parameter passing even though their scope was very localized) and very little planned structure. You could he how he'd hacked it together in an ad-hoc manner. The idea of the Adobe flash code base being used terrifies me. if we need Flash, which is an idea that I am in no way convinced of, I think it's a 'backward comparability' feature we need to let go of and strongly depreciated, then it should be a specification-driven clean-sheet implementation. Oh, wait ... hey is GNU Gnash still around? What about LightSpark? -- For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2017-07-28 16:20 GMT-03:00 Roman Bysh <geeko.tor@gmx.com>:
Yes! Adobe is pushing html5 https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/using/creating-publishing-html5-canvas-docum... Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/07/17 09:06 AM, Juan Erbes wrote:
Somehow I can't see Adobe pushing out an 'update' to flash player that simply puts up a screen saying that they are discontinuing it and that developers should use HTML5 instead. That would be one way to purge the world of buggy flash. It would also pizz a lot of people off break a lot of subsystems, possibly some like the previously mentioned Cisco UIs, that are critical, and open up a market for 3rd party backward compatible software of dubious quality. If Adobe couldn't get a bug-free flash player who else could? And if they could, why haven't they already captured the market in the way 1-2-3 did and MS-Office in turn did? perhaps its that the flash model is inherently flawed or that it's too complex. -- "Quality refers to the extent to which processes, products, services, and relationships are free from defects, constraints and items which do not add value." -- Dr. Mildred G Pryor, 1995 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29-07-17 15:20, Anton Aylward wrote:
They're way ahead of you: To more accurately represent its position as the premier animation tool for the web and beyond, Flash Professional will be renamed Adobe Animate CC, starting with the next release in early 2016. -- https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/welcome-adobe-animate-cc-a-new-era-for... So they're in effect pushing their animation tool Adobe Animate CC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2017-07-29 10:26 GMT-03:00 Mari Donkers <opensuse@photonsphere.org>:
I have installed flash-player from the Packman repo, and it works fine. Today I made a new: "zypper dup --from Packman" And they was a new update of the flash-player . Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/07/17 09:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The web will stop using flash, but there are training courses done in Flash, which will not be ported. And people has paid for those materials.
We can be sure that there are government and/or military agencies that still have documents in WordPerfect format that requires DO3 or earlier file system support for that early version of WordPerfect. "You Tax Dollars At Work". I just hope that this is not the case when it comes to matters such as -- life or safety critical systems -- banking systems -- people I have to do business with The dead should be buried. When they won't stay buried then its the business of fantasy and horror writers (& TV and movie producer), not of programmers and sysadmins and web users. -- "I think there is a world market for about five computers." Thomas J. Watson, chairman of the board of IBM, 1943 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/07/17 00:10, Anton Aylward wrote:
Unfortunately, there is such a phenomenon called "The Walking Dead". While unannounced, there is still support from MS for Windows XP. The Liquor Shop in our little shopping centre still runs XP, and the other day I caught a glimpse of the newsroom (in the back ground) of one of our major TV networks and there was a monitor with the Windows XP screensaver, in all its resplendent colours, bouncing from edge to edge...:-). BC -- You are NOT entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. Nobody is entitled to be ignorant. Harlan Ellison -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
This is all just noise on the factory list. Please keep off topic chatter elsewhere. This is not openSUSE software. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 6:09 PM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
-- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND 927.0875Mhz and 441.125 Repeaters Taft Ca. openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE Plasma with Packman, Leap 42.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2017-07-29 22:13 GMT-03:00 Steven Hess <flamebait@gmail.com>:
You are right, but.... With Youtube the flash-player of the Packman repo, worked fine. But today with the homebanking, was a headache of the slow and the blockages that the load of the pages of the bank suffered, using Firefox in Leap 42.3. Regards, Juan -- USA LINUX OPENSUSE QUE ES SOFTWARE LIBRE, NO NECESITAS PIRATEAR NADA Y NI TE VAS A PREOCUPAR MAS POR LOS VIRUS Y SPYWARES: http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Puedes visitar mi blog en: http://jerbes.blogspot.com.ar/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/07/2017 21:20, Roman Bysh wrote:
There's a petition for Adobe to open source flash, add a star if you have a github account. https://github.com/pakastin/open-source-flash Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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