Andreas Jaeger wrote:

AT the Desktop dialog (KDE/GNOME) use "Other" and select minimal desktop...

Speaking about that. This "minimal" install isn't so minimal. I think 600MB for a text-only machine and so minimal functionality is way too much. Do you think it's possible to start a "task force" to search for uneeded packages and strip that down to a real minimum? I would be very happy to help if that would be interesting. AFAIK there are other distros that can have KDE/Firefox/OpenOficce/etc with the same 600MB (or even less). Also, looking at my past, Conectiva had a profile called "Minimal" that installed 250 or 300 (can't remember for sure) and a "Real Minimal" about with 150MB (version 10 released Jul/05/2004). Ok, maybe not a good comparison (regarding installed versions), but this kind of minimal is what I liked to have (without the need to remove packages manually either during or after install). (Ps.: this is not a troll. :) -- % Mauricio Teixeira (netmask) % mteixeira{a}webset{d}net <> Maceio/AL/BR % TI+Telecom Analyst <> Linux Specialist % http://mteixeira.webset.net <> http://pmping.sf.net % [D0CE 6BD4 526B B7D1 6F4E 85FA A7A0 1A6F B23A A9EE]

Mauricio Teixeira writes:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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AT the Desktop dialog (KDE/GNOME) use "Other" and select minimal desktop...

Speaking about that. This "minimal" install isn't so minimal. I think 600MB for a text-only machine and so minimal functionality is way too much.

Do you think it's possible to start a "task force" to search for uneeded packages and strip that down to a real minimum? I would be very happy to help if that would be interesting.

This is definitely possible - but let's do it for 10.2. If you can find a consensus on this new minimal install, I would look closer at it.

AFAIK there are other distros that can have KDE/Firefox/OpenOficce/etc with the same 600MB (or even less).

Also, looking at my past, Conectiva had a profile called "Minimal" that installed 250 or 300 (can't remember for sure) and a "Real Minimal" about with 150MB (version 10 released Jul/05/2004). Ok, maybe not a good comparison (regarding installed versions), but this kind of minimal is what I liked to have (without the need to remove packages manually either during or after install). (Ps.: this is not a troll. :)

Let's see whether this is possible with our packages - and still makes sense, so please define the purpose of "minimal" first, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Hans-Peter Jansen writes:

Andreas, I really like your always optimistic tenor, but I fear, it's not done by just removing a few packages from the minimum list and adjusting some dependencies. You may spare a few 10th MB this way.

In order to get down to a really small size for minimum installation and use the same packages in both purposes (let's call it "in slim and full setting"), the feature predefinition has to be moved from compile time to run time for a lot of packages, and since this is contradicting the ubiquitous usage of autoconf and cpp, it will be a huge undertake, not to talk about the impact on testing.

If that is really the case - than I agree, we might not want to do this... An option would be to implement this step-by-step with build service - but only if there's enough interest and help, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Wednesday 22 February 2006 13:23, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

In order to get down to a really small size for minimum installation and use the same packages in both purposes (let's call it "in slim and full setting"), the feature predefinition has to be moved from compile time to run time for a lot of packages, and since this is contradicting the ubiquitous usage of autoconf and cpp, it will be a huge undertake, not to talk about the impact on testing.

If we're taking something down to the minimal possable I'd have thought that was a spin-off project once the build server is done to redefine the .spec files on the minimal packages to cut out files and split RPMs as needed. -- Simon Crute IS&T Bracknell Novell UK Ltd