[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed is now empty for 12.2

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Greg KH

5 Sep 2012 5 Sep '12

16:33

As part of the Tumbleweed lifecycle, with the 12.2 release of openSUSE, the openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo is now empty so that you can start out with a "clean" 12.2 release. It will stay that way for a few weeks for things to settle down with 12.2, and then will start to add packages back to it (new kernel, KDE 4.9, etc.) as time permits. So, if you wish to stay at 12.1 with Tumbleweed right now, I recommend NOT updating your system until you feel comfortable moving to 12.2. If anyone has any questions, please let me know. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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686f6c6d

5 Sep 5 Sep

20:14

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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If anyone has any questions, please let me know.

Just one: Isn't this information opensuse-announce material? I don't think everybody using Tumbleweed is on the factory list. Thanks for your great work, I love Tumbleweed! -- Kind regards 686f6c6d / Christopher 'm4z' Holm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

20:32

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 10:14:27PM +0200, 686f6c6d wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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If anyone has any questions, please let me know.

Just one: Isn't this information opensuse-announce material? I don't think everybody using Tumbleweed is on the factory list.

I've also said the same thing on the Tumbleweed forum. As I don't control the -announce list, feel free to have someone forward it there if people think it is needed. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger

6 Sep 6 Sep

08:40

On Wednesday, September 05, 2012 13:32:20 Greg KH wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 10:14:27PM +0200, 686f6c6d wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Greg KH wrote:

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If anyone has any questions, please let me know.

Just one: Isn't this information opensuse-announce material? I don't think everybody using Tumbleweed is on the factory list.

I've also said the same thing on the Tumbleweed forum. As I don't control the -announce list, feel free to have someone forward it there if people think it is needed.

Everybody can send an email to opensuse-announce, including you. It's just moderated. I've forwarded your email now, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

686f6c6d

08:59

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Everybody can send an email to opensuse-announce, including you. It's just moderated.

I've forwarded your email now,

Thanks a lot! -- Kind regards 686f6c6d / Christopher 'm4z' Holm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Marowsky-Bree

7 Sep 7 Sep

16:59

On 2012-09-05T09:33:04, Greg KH wrote:

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As part of the Tumbleweed lifecycle, with the 12.2 release of openSUSE, the openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo is now empty so that you can start out with a "clean" 12.2 release.

We've had that discussion before, haven't we? ;-) But for 12.2, perhaps you'd consider the idea of adding the version number to the Tumbleweed repository, so that a bit of overlap - or at least keeping the oldest state of Tumbleweed-12.2 - can happen. For those of us who can't immediately update to the next version (say, on a network with bad bandwidth), that'd be quite helpful.

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It will stay that way for a few weeks for things to settle down with 12.2, and then will start to add packages back to it (new kernel, KDE 4.9, etc.) as time permits.

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So, if you wish to stay at 12.1 with Tumbleweed right now, I recommend NOT updating your system until you feel comfortable moving to 12.2.

This would be easier and less error prone if Tumbleweed-12.1 wasn't immediately wiped. ;-) Thanks, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

17:09

On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 06:59:30PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

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On 2012-09-05T09:33:04, Greg KH wrote:

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As part of the Tumbleweed lifecycle, with the 12.2 release of openSUSE, the openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo is now empty so that you can start out with a "clean" 12.2 release.

We've had that discussion before, haven't we? ;-)

Yes, and as before, I don't want to keep any other Tumbleweed repo than the current one. That's why I recommend using the "current" symlinks for zypper as well, that way everything upgrades together all correctly. sorry, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Marowsky-Bree

11 Sep 11 Sep

14:13

On 2012-09-07T10:09:52, Greg KH wrote:

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We've had that discussion before, haven't we? ;-)

Yes, and as before, I don't want to keep any other Tumbleweed repo than the current one.

That's why I recommend using the "current" symlinks for zypper as well, that way everything upgrades together all correctly.

I'm doing that. And am now on adequate bandwidth to go ahead ;-) But it'd be nice if there was a Tumbleweed current link (perhaps the one without a version number?) pointing to the versioned repository, so that the last state can, if needed, be restored. I really value the effort you put into tumbleweed; I'm not actually asking you to do more work, just keep the work of the past around as fall-back if something goes wrong or someone needs to take a look at the legacy Tumbleweed N-1 state for a migration period for whatever reason. Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Greg KH

15:01

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 04:13:00PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

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On 2012-09-07T10:09:52, Greg KH wrote:

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We've had that discussion before, haven't we? ;-)

Yes, and as before, I don't want to keep any other Tumbleweed repo than the current one.

That's why I recommend using the "current" symlinks for zypper as well, that way everything upgrades together all correctly.

I'm doing that. And am now on adequate bandwidth to go ahead ;-)

But it'd be nice if there was a Tumbleweed current link (perhaps the one without a version number?) pointing to the versioned repository, so that the last state can, if needed, be restored.

Given the way that obs is set up, I don't know how we could do that, unless I start versioning the main Tumbleweed repo itself (12.1, 12.2, etc.) And I really don't want to do that for the reasons given a while ago (people will start to want to stay on older versions, duplicated work on my end, etc.)

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I really value the effort you put into tumbleweed; I'm not actually asking you to do more work, just keep the work of the past around as fall-back if something goes wrong or someone needs to take a look at the legacy Tumbleweed N-1 state for a migration period for whatever reason.

I understand the reluctance here, and look forward to the topic coming up evern 8 months or so :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Marowsky-Bree

14 Sep 14 Sep

09:45

On 2012-09-11T08:01:48, Greg KH wrote:

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But it'd be nice if there was a Tumbleweed current link (perhaps the one without a version number?) pointing to the versioned repository, so that the last state can, if needed, be restored. Given the way that obs is set up, I don't know how we could do that, unless I start versioning the main Tumbleweed repo itself (12.1, 12.2, etc.)

Right - but Tumbleweed itself could always point to the latest (just like the openSUSE-current symlink). I don't see why you're saying this would cause more work for you; noone expects you to keep continuing to work on Tumbleweed-$(n-1) once the new openSUSE version is out.

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I really value the effort you put into tumbleweed; I'm not actually asking you to do more work, just keep the work of the past around as fall-back if something goes wrong or someone needs to take a look at the legacy Tumbleweed N-1 state for a migration period for whatever reason. I understand the reluctance here, and look forward to the topic coming up evern 8 months or so :)

For what it is worth, I'm right now trying to figure out why my openbox no longer works in 12.2 as it did in 12.1+Tumbleweed; and because the repository is deleted, I can't just compare sources or the build log anymore. Imagine someone throwing away the commits for 2.6.x just because 3.x has been released ;-) Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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