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Roger Luedecke

11 Nov 2011 11 Nov '11

02:51

I had done an earler test run on the LiveUSB without installing and had few problems or critiques even though it was slower than a slug on a salt flat at noon. Now I tried to install. First boot off live media works fine. Second boot hangs very early in the process. Says something about SWAP. After the first boot something must be getting damaged on the LiveUSB, and to get it to work again I have to 'dd' the image onto the drive again. This problem existed in 11.3 as well if I recall correctly. Partioning problems. "Device /dev/sda5 cannot be removed because it contains activated swap that is needed to run the installation." This error came up as I was trying to rearrange my HDD partitions for the install. I attempted 'swapoff -a' to no avail. This problem has not been encountered by me before. I have 2 gigs of Ram so I can't imagine why it needs swap anyhow. I wonder if this activated swap may be the reason for the sudden slow down in live media responsivity. Long standing partitioning problem with YaST: It cannot recover a thumbdrive used for an install media. It is unable to appropriately rewrite the partioning table. I always have to use my Macintosh to fix the thumbdrives... Win7 won't work either. How to replicate... dd .iso to drive; attempt to reformat; plug in and see the live media is still there. I was hoping to get more testing in than this, but this stops those plans dead since I do need my machine to still be functional; hence the lateness of testing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

11 Nov 11 Nov

02:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-11 03:51, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Partioning problems. "Device /dev/sda5 cannot be removed because it contains activated swap that is needed to run the installation." This error came up as I was trying to rearrange my HDD partitions for the install. I attempted 'swapoff -a' to no avail. This problem has not been encountered by me before. I have 2 gigs of Ram so I can't imagine why it needs swap anyhow. I wonder if this activated swap may be the reason for the sudden slow down in live media responsivity.

I read a comment about the live using a swap file somewhere, automatically. Even on an NTFS partition. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk68j0wACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V81wCfSD2Rq2tbaynDbIuCFc/SR6Cx ICgAn1P4XuPfm1tqNWoDrrjfLSxZhppl =BR/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

03:02

On Thursday, November 10, 2011 06:58:20 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 03:51, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Partioning problems. "Device /dev/sda5 cannot be removed because it contains activated swap that is needed to run the installation." This error came up as I was trying to rearrange my HDD partitions for the install. I attempted 'swapoff -a' to no avail. This problem has not been encountered by me before. I have 2 gigs of Ram so I can't imagine why it needs swap anyhow. I wonder if this activated swap may be the reason for the sudden slow down in live media responsivity.

I read a comment about the live using a swap file somewhere, automatically. Even on an NTFS partition. Well, it prevents me from being able to repartition properly. I was finally going to get rid of Windows on this netbook. Though I could probably make another swap partition in the right place and then delete the other and merge /home with the old swap and the empty space it leaves isolated... what a pain in the *$#! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

03:08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-11 04:02, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Well, it prevents me from being able to repartition properly. I was finally going to get rid of Windows on this netbook. Though I could probably make another swap partition in the right place and then delete the other and merge /home with the old swap and the empty space it leaves isolated... what a pain in the *$#!

I think that "swapon -s" should show you if there is some swap somewhere in use, and then you can disconnect it. If it refuses, there is not enough ram. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk68kcsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UQzgCeOuz80GOtXTJ5iGOcmukdcFmp zHwAoIIjXhjY5IpgISBblkDRgCdShnAS =Vhd8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

03:24

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On 2011-11-11 04:02, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Well, it prevents me from being able to repartition properly. I was finally going to get rid of Windows on this netbook. Though I could probably make another swap partition in the right place and then delete the other and merge /home with the old swap and the empty space it leaves isolated... what a pain in the *$#!

I think that "swapon -s" should show you if there is some swap somewhere in use, and then you can disconnect it. If it refuses, there is not enough ram. Could be, but I find that hard to believe. Either way, the other issue means I have to 'dd' again instead of just rebooting into the installer minus the

On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:08:59 PM Carlos E. R. wrote: live environment. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

03:59

On 11/10/2011 10:24 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 04:02, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Well, it prevents me from being able to repartition properly. I was finally going to get rid of Windows on this netbook. Though I could probably make another swap partition in the right place and then delete the other and merge /home with the old swap and the empty space it leaves isolated... what a pain in the *$#!

I think that "swapon -s" should show you if there is some swap somewhere in use, and then you can disconnect it. If it refuses, there is not enough ram. Could be, but I find that hard to believe. Either way, the other issue means I have to 'dd' again instead of just rebooting into the installer minus the

On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:08:59 PM Carlos E. R. wrote: live environment.

I've always observed that if you boot the installer from a usb stick, then the installer may write the bootloader, even if nothing else, to that usb stick, if you don't intervene. That will break that stick from booting the way it's supposed to. (it will boot the installed system and no longer function as an installer) So you have to just watch out for that in the partitioning and bootloader screens. You may need to edit the device.map file in the advanced options, and/or you may only need to select the right drive in the main bootloader install screen. But it will show you in a summary where it is going to put the bootloader, so you can keep going back to the bootloader screen until the summary looks like it will do what you want. I never had any issue with swap. I usually don't make any in the partitioning screen and that's that. I've never used the new liveusb though, so of course that probably has new things it does different from the regular net iso. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

04:12

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On 11/10/2011 10:24 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:08:59 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 04:02, Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Well, it prevents me from being able to repartition properly. I was finally going to get rid of Windows on this netbook. Though I could probably make another swap partition in the right place and then delete the other and merge /home with the old swap and the empty space it leaves isolated... what a pain in the *$#!

I think that "swapon -s" should show you if there is some swap somewhere in use, and then you can disconnect it. If it refuses, there is not enough ram.

Could be, but I find that hard to believe. Either way, the other issue means I have to 'dd' again instead of just rebooting into the installer minus the live environment.

I've always observed that if you boot the installer from a usb stick, then the installer may write the bootloader, even if nothing else, to that usb stick, if you don't intervene. That will break that stick from booting the way it's supposed to. (it will boot the installed system and no longer function as an installer) So you have to just watch out for that in the partitioning and bootloader screens.

You may need to edit the device.map file in the advanced options, and/or you may only need to select the right drive in the main bootloader install screen.

But it will show you in a summary where it is going to put the bootloader, so you can keep going back to the bootloader screen until the summary looks like it will do what you want.

I never had any issue with swap. I usually don't make any in the partitioning screen and that's that. I've never used the new liveusb though, so of course that probably has new things it does different from the regular net iso. Yeah, I'm not even getting to the point of running the installer because of

On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:59:16 PM Brian K. White wrote: the partitioning/swap issue. But clearly it alters the USB in some fashion after the first boot. For that matter, the first time I ran live I didn't so much as start the installer. But it still screwed up the sticks ability to boot. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Freek de Kruijf

07:43

On vrijdag 11 november 2011 05:12:57 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:59:16 PM Brian K. White wrote:

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I never had any issue with swap. I usually don't make any in the partitioning screen and that's that. I've never used the new liveusb though, so of course that probably has new things it does different from the regular net iso.

Yeah, I'm not even getting to the point of running the installer because of the partitioning/swap issue. But clearly it alters the USB in some fashion after the first boot. For that matter, the first time I ran live I didn't so much as start the installer. But it still screwed up the sticks ability to boot.

You are probably using an USB stick with 1GB. The KDE Live image on a USB stick tries use the remaining space on the stick and put there a partition with the name hybrid. However on a 1 GB stick this partition is not large enough. So you end up with a non-bootable stick. If you use a 2 GB stick it will work. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728261 Because there are more problems with this hybrid, hybrid has been removed from the Live image for GM. So the GM Live image will be usable on a 1 GB USB stick. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

phanisvara das

09:53

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:13:14 +0530, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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On vrijdag 11 november 2011 05:12:57 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:59:16 PM Brian K. White wrote:

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I never had any issue with swap. I usually don't make any in the partitioning screen and that's that. I've never used the new liveusb though, so of course that probably has new things it does different from the regular net iso.

Yeah, I'm not even getting to the point of running the installer because of the partitioning/swap issue. But clearly it alters the USB in some fashion after the first boot. For that matter, the first time I ran live I didn't so much as start the installer. But it still screwed up the sticks ability to boot.

You are probably using an USB stick with 1GB. The KDE Live image on a USB stick tries use the remaining space on the stick and put there a partition with the name hybrid. However on a 1 GB stick this partition is not large enough. So you end up with a non-bootable stick. If you use a 2 GB stick it will work. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728261 Because there are more problems with this hybrid, hybrid has been removed from the Live image for GM. So the GM Live image will be usable on a 1 GB USB stick.

i've had the same happen to me, using an 8GB stick. that 'hybrid' partition was created, and after being used to start a live session once, it didn't boot again and i had to re-write the stick. something doen't work as expected, i'm afraid. (this wasn't one of the latest isos, though, a month or so ago.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Luedecke

09:57

On Friday, November 11, 2011 03:23:44 PM phanisvara das wrote:

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:13:14 +0530, Freek de Kruijf

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On vrijdag 11 november 2011 05:12:57 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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On Thursday, November 10, 2011 07:59:16 PM Brian K. White wrote:

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I never had any issue with swap. I usually don't make any in the partitioning screen and that's that. I've never used the new liveusb though, so of course that probably has new things it does different

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the regular net iso.

Yeah, I'm not even getting to the point of running the installer because of the partitioning/swap issue. But clearly it alters the USB in some fashion after the first boot. For that matter, the first time I ran live I didn't so much as start the installer. But it still screwed up the sticks ability to boot.

You are probably using an USB stick with 1GB. The KDE Live image on a USB stick tries use the remaining space on the stick and put there a partition with the name hybrid. However on a 1 GB stick this partition is not large enough. So you end up with a non-bootable stick. If you use a 2 GB stick it will work. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=728261 Because there are more problems with this hybrid, hybrid has been removed from the Live image for GM. So the GM Live image will be usable on a 1 GB USB stick.

i've had the same happen to me, using an 8GB stick. that 'hybrid' partition was created, and after being used to start a live session once, it didn't boot again and i had to re-write the stick. something doen't work as expected, i'm afraid. (this wasn't one of the latest isos, though, a month or so ago.) I had the same problem with 11.3 as well if I recall correctly. Its an old issue. -- AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccckkkkkk!!!!!!!!! You brute! Knock before entering a ladies room!

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