openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 08.02.2023
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting ## Attendees DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian ## Leap Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00. Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed. Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/ ## openSUSE Tumbleweed openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz * openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there) ## Richard (MicroOS) Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap" https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m... "openSUSE MicroOS Design" https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac... "Converging image and package based OS updates" Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/ Not yet formally released Tests are needed PR/Marketing needed Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer. Next Steps after release 1. mod-check Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots Any 3rd party packages and their origin Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon. 2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default Bugs still WIP osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing ## Max Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater ## Guillaume - Arm Not available Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server ## Sarah - s390x Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community) * qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to. ## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC * Application submitted * Completed meetup * New projects added * oSC23 * Waiting on contract signature (in legal review) * 20 registered, 13 submissions lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work? Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it. * FOSDEM * Good turnout * Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth * Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/ * https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm * https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we... * Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly * Podcast scheduled this evening ## Dirk Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs) * Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on) * Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state) * Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling Not available Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository. Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation. 15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig... Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5 ## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u)) Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time. 15.4 is working 5.3 is working 15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week. lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it? Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist * Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it. * Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team. ## Adrian - OBS Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient. ## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221 For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
Hey! Won't attend the meeting today being sick :( On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
## Attendees
DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian
## Leap
Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00.
Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed.
Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/
## openSUSE Tumbleweed
openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz
* openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler
i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there)
## Richard (MicroOS)
Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap"
https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m...
"openSUSE MicroOS Design"
https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac...
"Converging image and package based OS updates"
Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released
Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/
Not yet formally released
Tests are needed
PR/Marketing needed
Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer.
Next Steps after release
1. mod-check
Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users
List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots
Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots
Any 3rd party packages and their origin
Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible
lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering
mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon.
2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default
Bugs still WIP
osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing
## Max
Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater
## Guillaume - Arm
Not available
Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video
lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker
ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues
WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server
## Sarah - s390x
Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community)
* qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory:
https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed
Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC
Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to.
## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC
* Application submitted
* Completed meetup
* New projects added
* oSC23
* Waiting on contract signature (in legal review)
* 20 registered, 13 submissions
lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work?
Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it.
* FOSDEM
* Good turnout
* Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth
* Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we...
* Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly
* Podcast scheduled this evening
## Dirk
Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs)
* Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on)
* Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state)
* Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat
## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling
Not available
Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository.
Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation.
15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig...
Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5
## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u))
Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time.
15.4 is working 5.3 is working
15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks
Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week.
lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it?
Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist
* Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it.
* Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done
ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team.
## Adrian - OBS
Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers
After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient.
## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221
For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
Reading the etherpad protocol log now On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!
Won't attend the meeting today being sick :(
On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
## Attendees
DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian
## Leap
Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00.
Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed.
Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/
## openSUSE Tumbleweed
openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz
* openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler
i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there)
## Richard (MicroOS)
Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap"
https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m...
"openSUSE MicroOS Design"
https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac...
"Converging image and package based OS updates"
Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released
Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/
Not yet formally released
Tests are needed
PR/Marketing needed
Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer.
Next Steps after release
1. mod-check
Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users
List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots
Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots
Any 3rd party packages and their origin
Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible
lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering
mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon.
2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default
Bugs still WIP
osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing
## Max
Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater
## Guillaume - Arm
Not available
Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video
lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker
ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues
WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server
## Sarah - s390x
Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community)
* qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory:
https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed
Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC
Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to.
## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC
* Application submitted
* Completed meetup
* New projects added
* oSC23
* Waiting on contract signature (in legal review)
* 20 registered, 13 submissions
lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work?
Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it.
* FOSDEM
* Good turnout
* Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth
* Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we...
* Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly
* Podcast scheduled this evening
## Dirk
Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs)
* Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on)
* Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state)
* Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat
## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling
Not available
Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository.
Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation.
15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig...
Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5
## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u))
Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time.
15.4 is working 5.3 is working
15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks
Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week.
lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it?
Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist
* Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it.
* Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done
ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team.
## Adrian - OBS
Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers
After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient.
## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221
For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
Catched up with the meeting notes now, had to my headache and ear ache to attend live today (also has started working on Wednsdays and Tuesdays so have less time to attend currently On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Reading the etherpad protocol log now
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!
Won't attend the meeting today being sick :(
On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
## Attendees
DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian
## Leap
Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00.
Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed.
Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/
## openSUSE Tumbleweed
openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz
* openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler
i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there)
## Richard (MicroOS)
Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap"
https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m...
"openSUSE MicroOS Design"
https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac...
"Converging image and package based OS updates"
Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released
Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/
Not yet formally released
Tests are needed
PR/Marketing needed
Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer.
Next Steps after release
1. mod-check
Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users
List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots
Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots
Any 3rd party packages and their origin
Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible
lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering
mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon.
2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default
Bugs still WIP
osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing
## Max
Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater
## Guillaume - Arm
Not available
Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video
lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker
ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues
WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server
## Sarah - s390x
Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community)
* qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory:
https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed
Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC
Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to.
## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC
* Application submitted
* Completed meetup
* New projects added
* oSC23
* Waiting on contract signature (in legal review)
* 20 registered, 13 submissions
lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work?
Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it.
* FOSDEM
* Good turnout
* Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth
* Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we...
* Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly
* Podcast scheduled this evening
## Dirk
Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs)
* Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on)
* Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state)
* Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat
## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling
Not available
Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository.
Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation.
15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig...
Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5
## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u))
Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time.
15.4 is working 5.3 is working
15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks
Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week.
lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it?
Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist
* Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it.
* Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done
ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team.
## Adrian - OBS
Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers
After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient.
## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221
For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
Still sick so won't attend live tommorow, but will read the notes On 3/1/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Catched up with the meeting notes now, had to my headache and ear ache to attend live today (also has started working on Wednsdays and Tuesdays so have less time to attend currently
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Reading the etherpad protocol log now
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!
Won't attend the meeting today being sick :(
On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
## Attendees
DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian
## Leap
Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00.
Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed.
Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/
## openSUSE Tumbleweed
openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz
* openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler
i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there)
## Richard (MicroOS)
Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap"
https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m...
"openSUSE MicroOS Design"
https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac...
"Converging image and package based OS updates"
Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released
Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/
Not yet formally released
Tests are needed
PR/Marketing needed
Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer.
Next Steps after release
1. mod-check
Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users
List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots
Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots
Any 3rd party packages and their origin
Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible
lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering
mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon.
2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default
Bugs still WIP
osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing
## Max
Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater
## Guillaume - Arm
Not available
Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video
lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker
ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues
WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server
## Sarah - s390x
Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community)
* qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory:
https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed
Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC
Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to.
## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC
* Application submitted
* Completed meetup
* New projects added
* oSC23
* Waiting on contract signature (in legal review)
* 20 registered, 13 submissions
lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work?
Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it.
* FOSDEM
* Good turnout
* Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth
* Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we...
* Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly
* Podcast scheduled this evening
## Dirk
Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs)
* Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on)
* Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state)
* Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat
## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling
Not available
Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository.
Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation.
15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig...
Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5
## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u))
Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time.
15.4 is working 5.3 is working
15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks
Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week.
lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it?
Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist
* Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it.
* Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done
ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team.
## Adrian - OBS
Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers
After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient.
## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221
For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
On Mittwoch, 8. März 2023 01:03:30 CET Luna Jernberg wrote:
Still sick so won't attend live tommorow, but will read the notes
On 3/1/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Catched up with the meeting notes now, had to my headache and ear ache to attend live today (also has started working on Wednsdays and Tuesdays so have less time to attend currently
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Reading the etherpad protocol log now
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!
Won't attend the meeting today being sick :(
On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here:
[ 400 lines removed ...] Luna, this is the 4th time you sent an off-topic mail to this list, each time with an off-topic full quote of Douglas meeting minutes mail. This list is for discussing "Development of the openSUSE distributions". It is not for discussing Luna Jernbergs health status. Regards, Stefan
Attending today On 3/8/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Still sick so won't attend live tommorow, but will read the notes
On 3/1/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Catched up with the meeting notes now, had to my headache and ear ache to attend live today (also has started working on Wednsdays and Tuesdays so have less time to attend currently
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Reading the etherpad protocol log now
On 2/15/23, Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey!
Won't attend the meeting today being sick :(
On 2/10/23, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting Meeting is hosted here https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
## Attendees
DimStar, ddemaio, bittin, rbrown, Sarah, maxlin, Axel, lkocman, Adrian
## Leap
Code submission deadline for SLES 15 SP5 Beta4 is today (Jan 25th) at 15:00.
Leap Builds were stuck on https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207395 and previously https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206718 Due to this we were not able to produce a decent build that would give us good idea about quality. I'm bit worried that the actual beta release might be delayed.
Cisco openh264 setup is finialized on our side https://news.opensuse.org/2023/01/24/opensuse-simplifies-codec-install/
## openSUSE Tumbleweed
openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 199 failed 1 unresolvable (two weeks ago: 217 / 16) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz
* openSSL 3 has become the default in Snapshot 0202 (problems when users have openssl-devel installed) * glibc 2.37 has been submitted for inclusion; Staging looks reasonably good so far. This might be one of the fastest glibc updates seen in the last years * Staging:H Ruby 3.2 made some progress, only 1 more yast build fails (y2-packager) * Staging:K tests KDE Plasma 5.27 beta * Staging:L has a few failures collected: * gpg2: breaks gpgme * ant and xmlgraphics-common: breaking ant-antlr and xmlgraphics-fop * Staging:M test to also build python311 modules * Staging:O: preparation work to identify the minimal list of 'i586' builds to enable in openSUSE:Factory to allow wine/steam to build/install (currently 992 packages, and counting; big part of it is for rpmlint and such things) * Staging:Gcc7: early experiments to set GCC 13 as distro compiler
i586 carve-out from Factory => Automatic migration kicked off with snapshot 0201. The first 'zypper dup' after changing the repo could include a bunch of 'package downgrades' as the rebuild counters are not synced across projects. By end of March, we expect all users to have completed the migration (at least one zypper dup to get the new repos configured), as by then we disable build/publish of i586 packages (except the ~1800 identified in Staging:O - target was wine there)
## Richard (MicroOS)
Presentations at FOSDEM about MicroOS Desktop and MicroOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuYGcs0t6I "I was wrong about Flatpak, AppImage, and Snap"
https://video.fosdem.org/2023/H.1308%20(Rolin)/image_linux_secureboot_suse_m...
"openSUSE MicroOS Design"
https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/image_linux_secureboot_converging_pac...
"Converging image and package based OS updates"
Desktop-GNOME: Ready for Release, but not released
Technically everything is working and release quality in MicroOS GNOME. NO KNOWN BLOCKERS! \o/
Not yet formally released
Tests are needed
PR/Marketing needed
Desktop-KDE: Still Alpha, discussions about maybe considering it Beta, in the hands of the (lone) main maintainer.
Next Steps after release
1. mod-check
Working on a "mod-check" tool to report the following to users
List of installed (1st party) packages, with comparisions to both an upstream pristine list and previous snapshots
Automatically reset official packages to that upstream pristine list, or previous snapshots
Any 3rd party packages and their origin
Any known unsupported configurations/alterations and offer remedies if possible
lkocman: is quite interested in this, as we'll be in position in migration leap 15.X to ALP based community offering
mod-check doesn't really 'check' as much as planned at the moment, instead going way further and effectively reinstalling MicroOS Desktop (GNOME) in place, making that new snapshot the new boot target. This will be awesome for any user who wants to 'freshen' up an otherwise heavily altered MicroOS Desktop, or when major Tumbleweed/MicroOS changes occur that otherwise cant be easily modeled in patterns. It also potentially could be a method of migrating non-transactional systems to a transactional one. Heavy testing/development underway..and possibly a rename if mod-check doesn't start actually -checking stuff soon.
2. YaST-less installation media with FDE by default
Bugs still WIP
osinfo-db still doesn't recognise MicroOS as a seperate distribution - debates with upstream ongoing
## Max
Leap 15.5 * The orphan package issue occurred in the last Leap build should be fixed, the problem should disappear in the next build * KDE updates is still pending in staging project, it has been just missing the legal review, but KDE staging now has a lot of build fails, need to update those pending submissions to a working version if qt/kdelibs update already accepted into SLE15, will talk to Antonio ** Correction: recheck it, it turned out the contrary, KDE staging have got updated, but qt/kdelibs part is pending for SLE15 SP5 * I'll file the last pacakge updater from Factory to Backports, after we entering Beta phase I'll not trigger that updater
## Guillaume - Arm
Not available
Tumbleweed: * Blocked due to a broken binutils patch for armv7. Will be unblocked by https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1060656 * WiFi works again on RPi3/4 (and other systems): https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206697 * Pointer Authentication issue, seen in zypper has been fixed: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206684 * NVIDIA: tester with aarch64 server and NVIDIA card wanted - Proprietary drivers are now available for aarch64 (only G06): https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ - New opengpu driver also available in OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/X11:Drivers:Video
lkocman to check on who is the aarch64 + nvidia effort blocked on. I recall that there was a chosen point of contact. Leap: * 15.5 aarch64: covered by Leap section above * 15.5 armv7: no blocker
ALP: * No aarch64 specific issues
WSL: * Works with x86 emulator since appx installer is x86-64, but this is not really an issue since arm64 Win11 includes x86 emulator by default. Steps documented on the wiki to install the appx from download.o.o: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL#With_Appx_from_openSUSE_download_server
## Sarah - s390x
Tumbleweed * Tumbleweed is rolling Leap: * tests are failing because of timeout: Last year there was a SLE bug report (not accessible for the community)
* qore updated, but qore-doc is included in qore and should be manually removed from factory:
https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1063674?notification_id=37988455 Sarah needs a help on the request^ => fixed
Presentation at FOSDEM about Linux Distributions Collaboration and Upstream Collaboration in the Linux Distributions Working Group at the Open Mainframe Project: https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/open_mainframe_project/ -> CentOS Stream want to join and there is the requirement for an equal Working Group for PowerPC
Sarah will give the next presentation (via Accenture) at Chemnitzer Linuxtage. They want to represent also the Open Source Projects Accenture employees are contributing to.
## Doug * Need to order marketing material for CLT & SCALE * GSoC
* Application submitted
* Completed meetup
* New projects added
* oSC23
* Waiting on contract signature (in legal review)
* 20 registered, 13 submissions
lkocman: did send an experimental e-thank yous. Did it work?
Axel: issue with the time on the email. lkocman will look into it.
* FOSDEM
* Good turnout
* Thank you to all the volunteers who helped with the booth
* Find videos at https://video.fosdem.org/2023/
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/containerised_apps.webm
* https://ftp.fau.de/fosdem/2023/UA2.114%20(Baudoux)/open_mainframe_project.we...
* Taking care of TSP requests * FLOSS Weekly https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly
* Podcast scheduled this evening
## Dirk
Not available * Initial x86_64-v3 glibc hwcaps package has landed in Factory (libxmlb - visible in GNOME repositories openqa runs)
* Determine list of extra shared libraries to enable (likely all compression and media decoding libraries (libpng, jpeg and so on)
* Helped with OpenSSL 3.x switch and Python 3.11 modules enablement * Starting to draft https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OpenSUSE_Tumbleweed_Maintainer_Policy (draft, will be announced on the mailing list when ~ ready) DimStar: ~150 python modules are currently failing with 3.11, a lot of fallout is expected. (enabling 3.11 will roughly double those numbers judging from the current devel project state)
* Continued work on SUSE:ALP:RISCV * force published 15.4 and 15.5 for armv7 builds, openqa builds have been triggered it appears it is set to do post-release testing? * qemu/libseccomp 15.5 failure still in investigation Biggest speedup can be observed by switching zlib to zlib-ng, so looked into fixing the build failures caused by switching to zlibo-ng-compat
## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling
Not available
Discussion about moving ipxe package to SLE and release ipxe-bootimgs for x86_64 and aarch64 to HPC-Module (SLE-15-SP5). Needs to be accepted by Michal Svec. If that is the case ipxe will be removed from openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 and subpackage ipxe-bootimgs for ppc64le and s390x will be released via subpackages repository.
Need to sync with Max regarding the package list for subpackages repository for SLE-15-SP5 when he is back from vacation.
15 SP5 Package HUB channel is set up. Stefan did initial testing and looks good. Some packages are still missing, this is on agenda for today and next week. The workshop regarding Package HUB equivalent for ALP Lubos will schedule a call with wolfgang and Scott to ensure that they're in loop for the High Level requirements document.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/Consumig...
Package Hub for SLE-15-SP5 product definition added and SCC is currently picking it up so it will be ready for testing with the beta of SLE-15-SP5
## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u))
Fixed a long standing issue with gnome-music that was blocking openqa for a long time.
15.4 is working 5.3 is working
15.5 setup TBD (Mid-to-End February would be preferred). lkocman needs to do official 15.5 Maint setup request beta in ~2 weeks
Nothing worrysome, preannoucement for 15.3 EOL was sent to mainling list End of December 2022. There were three chromium updates in single week.
lkocman: 15.3 EOL could lead to stopping our physical Source DVD effort, as it seems we will not produce. As this was the last release which you could still get on a physical media. Lkocman: anything against decomissioning it?
Configuration setup problem for Maintenance of Leap 15.4 maintenance updates / openQA Marcus regarding Leap 15.4 Image respin - package set will change, we do need to refresh the packagelist
* Lubos to talk to Jan Stehlik, we can't put all on Marcuses shoulder. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221110-maintenance-disc... Confirmation that QA/QA-maint team will oversee the setup (issues) Lubos: I was asked to provide requirements for the QA team. Mostly for the GA/current release but also for the update. Lubos will make wiki with requirements (something like maintenance plan perhaps). Marcus will review it.
* Leap Micro 5.3 maint setup done
ffmpeg - (still unsolved) possible file conflict on the next update, no idea how to avoid vendor switching at the moment. Removing the patch on the openSUSE side (that might contain security fixes) or releasing update on the packman side could fix the issue. Lubos to give Marcus some working contact for the team.
## Adrian - OBS
Heads up: working on spdx sbom data generation for containers
After changing the signing key of Factory without rebuilding the distribution "osc build" using chroot builds run into the problem that gpg verification of the rpm's failed. To tell osc to use also the old gpg key we introduced a temporary openSUSE:Tumbleweed:OldKey project. We will remove this project again after full rebuild of Factory. This should work for all arches. Users get additional question if they want to trust the additional project once. This solves the issue for people who build against openSUSE:Tumbleweed/standard or openSUSE:Factory/snapshot. It does not solve it when building against openSUSE:Factory/standard directly (not the default in OBS). Dirk: Recommended solution is to use the kvm build (add `build-type = kvm` to your ~/.oscrc) Adrian: Agreed that we should aim for switching the osc default here (also wanted by security team). Still some issues to solve to make it more convinient.
## Project maintainer work flow Status * Base policy to be developed Background on topic found at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20221221
For me it comes down to a matter of communication. A note like 'thx for your SR, I think we should adapt the following ' or ' we are reviewing your SR, and quite stuck with work...' could already change a lot. Silence for more then 4 week is clearly a perfect way to annoy contributors. And the question should be asked if those unresponsive maintainers are still willing to maintain their projects. Or they may even not be active anymore, another discussion we are having
On 15. 03. 23, 9:52, Luna Jernberg wrote:
Attending today
You were alerted by some on this list already that this is inappropriate list for your notes. Please stop that. On the top of that (citing netiquette): * alter subject appropriately to your content * crop the part of the message which is irrelevant to your posting And ideally, don't top post. thanks, -- js suse labs
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