On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:53:59AM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Monday 2014-11-03 09:42, Johannes Weberhofer wrote:

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Updating to the latest 13.2 repo results in the following message:

zypper up ... The following 52 applications are going to be reinstalled: Aisleriot Solitaire Archive Manager Brasero Character Map Cheese Clocks Color Profile Viewer Contacts Desktop Search Dictionary Disk

Isn't it strange, that some packages names are written in a form like "Five or More Four-in-a-row"?

Note how it says "52 applications" rather than "52 packages". Most of these are project names rather than package names.

This is appdata related I think, its not RPM names. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 03.11.2014 um 10:20 schrieb Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger:

On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 09:42 +0100, Johannes Weberhofer wrote:

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Updating to the latest 13.2 repo results in the following message:

zypper up ... The following 52 applications are going to be reinstalled: Aisleriot Solitaire Archive Manager Brasero Character Map Cheese Clocks Color Profile Viewer Contacts Desktop Search Dictionary Disk Usage Analyzer Documents Déjà Dup Backup Tool Empathy Evince Evolution Files Five or More Four-in-a-row GIMP GNOME Chess GNOME Klotski GNOME Mahjongg GNOME Mines GNOME Music GNOME Nibbles GNOME Package Updater GNOME Packages GNOME Robots GNOME Sudoku GNOME System Monitor GNOME Tetravex GParted GnuCash Iagno Image Viewer Liferea Lights Off Maps Notes Passwords and Keys Quadrapassel Search and Indexing Shotwell Simple Scan Swell Foop Tali Terminal Tweak Tool Videos gedit gitg

Isn't it strange, that some packages names are written in a form like "Five or More Four-in-a-row"?

Johannes

Zypper by now knows the conccept of 'applications' (as is also used by newer software centers, like gnome-software for example).

you can, for example. perform a search like:

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zypper search -t application

and you get an overview of 'all there is at the moment' (I get a list of 216).

The idea of a software centric approach is rather obvious: package names are cryptic and non-speaking to a regular user.

The packages listed as applications are the ones installing a file in /usr/share/appdata, giving sufficient meta-information (which is also what makes those apps show up in gnome-software for example). Should be a goal of each app to actually ship this meta-info in the package.

Dominique

Thank you for responses; in this case semi-columns should be added, as the list is completely unreadable as it is. Shall I open an ticket? -- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 03.11.2014 um 11:42 schrieb Guido Berhoerster:

* Johannes Weberhofer [2014-11-03 11:10]:

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Am 03.11.2014 um 10:20 schrieb Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger:

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On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 09:42 +0100, Johannes Weberhofer wrote:

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Updating to the latest 13.2 repo results in the following message:

zypper up ... The following 52 applications are going to be reinstalled: Aisleriot Solitaire Archive Manager Brasero Character Map Cheese Clocks Color Profile Viewer Contacts Desktop Search Dictionary Disk Usage Analyzer Documents Déjà Dup Backup Tool Empathy Evince Evolution Files Five or More Four-in-a-row GIMP GNOME Chess GNOME Klotski GNOME Mahjongg GNOME Mines GNOME Music GNOME Nibbles GNOME Package Updater GNOME Packages GNOME Robots GNOME Sudoku GNOME System Monitor GNOME Tetravex GParted GnuCash Iagno Image Viewer Liferea Lights Off Maps Notes Passwords and Keys Quadrapassel Search and Indexing Shotwell Simple Scan Swell Foop Tali Terminal Tweak Tool Videos gedit gitg

Isn't it strange, that some packages names are written in a form like "Five or More Four-in-a-row"?

Johannes

Zypper by now knows the conccept of 'applications' (as is also used by newer software centers, like gnome-software for example).

you can, for example. perform a search like:

...

zypper search -t application

and you get an overview of 'all there is at the moment' (I get a list of 216).

The idea of a software centric approach is rather obvious: package names are cryptic and non-speaking to a regular user.

The packages listed as applications are the ones installing a file in /usr/share/appdata, giving sufficient meta-information (which is also what makes those apps show up in gnome-software for example). Should be a goal of each app to actually ship this meta-info in the package.

Dominique

Thank you for responses; in this case semi-columns should be added, as the list is completely unreadable as it is. Shall I open an ticket?

Please do, possibly also for adding a config option to turn this off, possibly by default. This functionality may be useful for a GUI appstore clones but it doesn't make much sense on the command line, particularly with meaningless titles like Clocks, Contacts, Image Viewer, Maps, Notes, Files etc. copied from .desktop files while it significantly clutters output. If you use a package manager it is reasonable to get information about the operations on packages, without the noise.

I have done so: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903675 -- Johannes Weberhofer Weberhofer GmbH, Austria, Vienna -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org