[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed Yast Boot loader no longer provides vga for Plymouth
Hi all, Does anyone know why the "vga" settings were removed from the Tumbleweed Yast Boot loader? Plymouth needs the "vga" settings for initrd otherwise you get the three question marks. Any thoughts before I make a bug report. Cheers! Roman I -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op zondag 8 mei 2016 15:45:08 schreef Roman Bysh:
Hi all,
Does anyone know why the "vga" settings were removed from the Tumbleweed Yast Boot loader? Plymouth needs the "vga" settings for initrd otherwise you get the three question marks.
Any thoughts before I make a bug report.
I recommend to make the bug report anyway. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roman Bysh composed on 2016-05-08 15:45 (UTC-0400):
Does anyone know why the "vga" settings were removed from the Tumbleweed Yast Boot loader? Plymouth needs the "vga" settings for initrd otherwise you get the three question marks.
Any thoughts before I make a bug report.
Plymouth is taboo here, so I can't check. However, WRT the vttys, if that's what your Plymouth concern is, video= on kernel cmdline equates in effect to what vga= does, except the kernel retains the mode video= declared for framebuffer use, rather than overruling the mode vga= produced. vga= is actually a special switch intended for bootloader use, which non-modesetting kernels just happened to inherit. Since kernels have been modesetting all the way back to around 11.3, vga= really hasn't belonged in YaST bootloader for a very long time. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/05/16 04:41 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Roman Bysh composed on 2016-05-08 15:45 (UTC-0400):
Does anyone know why the "vga" settings were removed from the Tumbleweed Yast Boot loader? Plymouth needs the "vga" settings for initrd otherwise you get the three question marks.
Any thoughts before I make a bug report.
Plymouth is taboo here, so I can't check. However, WRT the vttys, if that's what your Plymouth concern is, video= on kernel cmdline equates in effect to what vga= does, except the kernel retains the mode video= declared for framebuffer use, rather than overruling the mode vga= produced. vga= is actually a special switch intended for bootloader use, which non-modesetting kernels just happened to inherit. Since kernels have been modesetting all the way back to around 11.3, vga= really hasn't belonged in YaST bootloader for a very long time. That I know. I talked with Jiri last year and he said that this was another feature he was considering removing from the Yast bootloader.
Why is it that we add these handy features to the Yast bootloader, just to have them removed at a later date. Why not replace the vga drop-down list with a video drop-down list? All that work for not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roman Bysh composed on 2016-05-08 16:54 (UTC-0400):
...Why not replace the vga drop-down list with a video drop-down list?...
I brought it up in https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675793 five years ago but it never generated any traction. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/05/16 05:45 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Roman Bysh composed on 2016-05-08 16:54 (UTC-0400):
...Why not replace the vga drop-down list with a video drop-down list?...
I brought it up in https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675793 five years ago but it never generated any traction. It's odd that kms is not supported for radeon. There's is no answer to why it's not supported.
You would think by now that the we shouldn't have to add a video= entry in the kernel option. It should be auto-detected. My screen gets auto-detected in Plasma 5. However, this doesn't get passed on to the boot splash. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roman Bysh composed on 2016-05-08 18:19 (UTC-0400):
It's odd that kms is not supported for radeon. There's is no answer to why it's not supported.
Because it is supported. Why do you think it isn't? Maybe you have one that requires unavailable firmware? I have several radeon cards. All are supported by KMS.
You would think by now that the we shouldn't have to add a video= entry in the kernel option. It should be auto-detected.
KMS does autodetect EDID provided modes, and selects EDID preferred mode unless directed otherwise, and AFAICT, also autodetects what modes the gfxchip supports. How such autodetection and autoselection interplays or not with Plymouth in openSUSE I don't know, because all openSUSE installations here have Plymouth tabooed.
My screen gets auto-detected in Plasma 5. However, this doesn't get passed on to the boot splash.
Most people don't need video=. Grub2 has an entirely separate and less simple mechanism for configuring itself and what it passes on to what follows. Grub2 needs neither vga= nor video=. AFAICT, it doesn't pass vga=, and even if it does, KMS overrides it. What it does or not with video= I don't know. I don't use Grub2 much, and not at all with openSUSE. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-09 01:23, Felix Miata wrote:
Most people don't need video=. Grub2 has an entirely separate and less simple mechanism for configuring itself and what it passes on to what follows. Grub2 needs neither vga= nor video=. AFAICT, it doesn't pass vga=, and even if it does, KMS overrides it. What it does or not with video= I don't know. I don't use Grub2 much, and not at all with openSUSE.
I have an old laptop that does need "vga=791" in grub2, or it doesn't work correctly :-P -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-05-09 01:46 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata wrote:
Most people don't need video=. Grub2 has an entirely separate and less ^^^^ simple mechanism for configuring itself and what it passes on to what follows. Grub2 needs neither vga= nor video=. AFAICT, it doesn't pass vga=, and even if it does, KMS overrides it. What it does or not with video= I don't know. I don't use Grub2 much, and not at all with openSUSE.
I have an old laptop that does need "vga=791" in grub2, or it doesn't work correctly :-P
With what gfxchip, ATI Rage*? Cirrus Logic? Matrox? Trident? Many old gfxchips have no KMS support, so vga= remains useful for them. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-09 02:02, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-05-09 01:46 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata wrote:
Most people don't need video=. Grub2 has an entirely separate and less ^^^^
I know, I know :-))
simple mechanism for configuring itself and what it passes on to what follows. Grub2 needs neither vga= nor video=. AFAICT, it doesn't pass vga=, and even if it does, KMS overrides it. What it does or not with video= I don't know. I don't use Grub2 much, and not at all with openSUSE.
I have an old laptop that does need "vga=791" in grub2, or it doesn't work correctly :-P
With what gfxchip, ATI Rage*? Cirrus Logic? Matrox? Trident? Many old gfxchips have no KMS support, so vga= remains useful for them.
Intel :-) Model: "Intel i845" Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation" Device: pci 0x2562 "i845" SubVendor: pci 0x1584 "Uniwill Computer Corp" Driver: "i915" Driver Modules: "drm" But maybe the problem is that the framebuffer doesn't support this old chip fully or correctly: AmonLanc:~ # hwinfo --framebuffer 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer [Created at bios.459] Unique ID: rdCR.cib0Ef7l+l4 Hardware Class: framebuffer Model: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller" Vendor: "Intel Corporation" Device: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller" SubVendor: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS" Don't worry about my case, I just put it as an example of one machine that needs "vga=something". If I remember correctly, you helped me to set it up some years ago. I don't remember all the issues I had with it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-05-09 02:50 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-05-09 01:46 (UTC+0200):
I have an old laptop that does need "vga=791" in grub2, or it doesn't work correctly :-P
With what gfxchip, ATI Rage*? Cirrus Logic? Matrox? Trident? Many old gfxchips have no KMS support, so vga= remains useful for them.
Intel :-)
Model: "Intel i845"
Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation" Device: pci 0x2562 "i845" SubVendor: pci 0x1584 "Uniwill Computer Corp"
Driver: "i915" Driver Modules: "drm"
But maybe the problem is that the framebuffer doesn't support this old chip fully or correctly:
AmonLanc:~ # hwinfo --framebuffer 02: None 00.0: 11001 VESA Framebuffer [Created at bios.459] Unique ID: rdCR.cib0Ef7l+l4 Hardware Class: framebuffer Model: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller" Vendor: "Intel Corporation" Device: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Controller" SubVendor: "Intel(r)845G/845GL/845GE/845GV Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS"
Don't worry about my case, I just put it as an example of one machine that needs "vga=something". If I remember correctly, you helped me to set it up some years ago. I don't remember all the issues I had with it.
You may have forgotten about one. I've had several 845Gs, and still have two running TW, one a Dell/Foxconn, the other an Intel. Each has a BIOS option to choose between 1MB and 8MB for framebuffer or some such. With 8MB selected, KMS is fully supported. BIOS resets and dead batteries revert the selection to 1MB. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-09 03:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Don't worry about my case, I just put it as an example of one machine that needs "vga=something". If I remember correctly, you helped me to set it up some years ago. I don't remember all the issues I had with it.
You may have forgotten about one. I've had several 845Gs, and still have two running TW, one a Dell/Foxconn, the other an Intel. Each has a BIOS option to choose between 1MB and 8MB for framebuffer or some such. With 8MB selected, KMS is fully supported. BIOS resets and dead batteries revert the selection to 1MB.
Ah. I'll print this, so that I can remember to try. The machine is my acting server, so I boot it about once a month. It has no battery. Ah, you probably refer to the bios battery, that one is recent. Still... ram is 0.5 GB, not much to spare. Wait. AmonLanc:~ # hwinfo --framebuffer ... Memory Size: 7 MB + 832 kB So the option is already set. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-09 03:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Don't worry about my case, I just put it as an example of one machine that needs "vga=something". If I remember correctly, you helped me to set it up some years ago. I don't remember all the issues I had with it.
You may have forgotten about one. I've had several 845Gs, and still have two running TW, one a Dell/Foxconn, the other an Intel. Each has a BIOS option to choose between 1MB and 8MB for framebuffer or some such. With 8MB selected, KMS is fully supported. BIOS resets and dead batteries revert the selection to 1MB.
Ah. I'll print this, so that I can remember to try. The machine is my acting server, so I boot it about once a month. It has no battery. Ah, you probably refer to the bios battery, that one is recent. Still... ram is 0.5 GB, not much to spare.
Wait.
AmonLanc:~ # hwinfo --framebuffer ...
Memory Size: 7 MB + 832 kB
So the option is already set.
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development? -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
On 2016-05-09 03:32, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development?
Sorry. I only wanted to show that "vga= " is still needed by some. How to replace it in my machine by something else is of no real interest to me, as that was discussed years ago and determined that "vga=…" is the only setting that works here. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 05/08/2016 10:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-09 03:32, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development?
Sorry. I only wanted to show that "vga= " is still needed by some.
How to replace it in my machine by something else is of no real interest to me, as that was discussed years ago and determined that "vga=…" is the only setting that works here.
This is a debate because when the community requests features the ideas are added. Then three years or more later they are removed without discussion. That's why. Here's the bug report. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978973 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2016 06:37 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 05/08/2016 10:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-09 03:32, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development?
Sorry. I only wanted to show that "vga= " is still needed by some.
How to replace it in my machine by something else is of no real interest to me, as that was discussed years ago and determined that "vga=…" is the only setting that works here.
This is a debate because when the community requests features the ideas are added. Then three years or more later they are removed without discussion. That's why.
Here's the bug report. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978973
Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting this whole thread was inappropriate for this list, the first half at least certainly was, but from there the amount of useful info declined. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
On 05/09/2016 07:48 PM, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/10/2016 06:37 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 05/08/2016 10:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-09 03:32, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development?
Sorry. I only wanted to show that "vga= " is still needed by some.
How to replace it in my machine by something else is of no real interest to me, as that was discussed years ago and determined that "vga=…" is the only setting that works here.
This is a debate because when the community requests features the ideas are added. Then three years or more later they are removed without discussion. That's why.
Here's the bug report. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978973
Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting this whole thread was inappropriate for this list, the first half at least certainly was, but from there the amount of useful info declined.
Agreed. I was hoping that everyone would stay on point. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2016 03:28 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 05/09/2016 07:48 PM, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/10/2016 06:37 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 05/08/2016 10:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-09 03:32, Simon Lees wrote:
On 05/09/2016 10:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is a nice discussion, but how is it contributing to openSUSE development?
Sorry. I only wanted to show that "vga= " is still needed by some.
How to replace it in my machine by something else is of no real interest to me, as that was discussed years ago and determined that "vga=…" is the only setting that works here.
This is a debate because when the community requests features the ideas are added. Then three years or more later they are removed without discussion. That's why.
Here's the bug report. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978973
Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting this whole thread was inappropriate for this list, the first half at least certainly was, but from there the amount of useful info declined.
Agreed. I was hoping that everyone would stay on point.
Perhaps I should submit another idea to Fate. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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