Please don't get me wrong - but that's all up to personal preference I don't see a need for GNOME (as is with gnome-shell) - there is KDE... 2013/9/17 Richard Brown :

On 17 September 2013 15:43, johann Luce wrote:

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Le 17/09/2013 11:36, Benjamin Denisart a écrit :

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We follow the same schema as gnome project and in the future, we probably drop some core packages ( libraries ) for maintenance facilities. There is a large desire for Mate actually in every "big" distributions. We probably should answer this demand.

I agree with Benjamin

Mate has its place in openSUSE

to have testboth, gnome 3 classic and Mate, you can not compare, Mate is more ergonomic and it is much easier to do what you want with it.

cordially

jluce

Please don't get me wrong - while I might disagree with the need for MATE and fail to see any benefit it brings to the distribution, if there is an number of people who want to maintain MATE in openSUSE I wish them all the best, and as one of the maintainers of our GNOME packages & libraries, I'm looking forward to working with them

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On Tue 17 Sep 2013 06:24:10 PM CDT, Damian Ivanov wrote: Please don't get me wrong - I use SLED, with a supported GNOME 2.28 works perfect and can concentrate on GNOME 3.x.x ;)

Please don't get me wrong - but that's all up to personal preference I don't see a need for GNOME (as is with gnome-shell) - there is KDE...

<snip> Jokes aside, why can't live cd/usb images be made rather than DVD's anyway? A live image with Desktop X, UEFI/secure boot ready and negate the need for a DVD download? To be honest it would be nice to see a forum presence of the DE maintainer(s) any desktop introduced with openSUSE as part of the requirements of shipping such desktop on the DVD. Or a designated person to either highlight an issue back to the maintainers... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) GNOME 3.8.4 Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop up 1 day 12:26, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.07, 0.23 CPU Intel® B840@1.9GHz | GPU Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue 17 Sep 2013 07:30:45 PM CDT, Markus Koßmann wrote:

Am Dienstag, 17. September 2013, 11:30:32 schrieb Malcolm:

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Jokes aside, why can't live cd/usb images be made rather than DVD's anyway? A live image with Desktop X, UEFI/secure boot ready and negate the need for a DVD download? Any live image needs to provide some applications. Without them, it doesn't make sense. Now make a list of application, you need to provide and you will see: They don't fit on a CD any more. The only thing that still works with a CD is to provide an installation (only) system . And todays USB thumb drives begin at 4GB size. So it doesn't make sense to provide(USB) images smaller than 4GB. Hi OK, a live bootable USB image < 1GB, that has UEFI/Secure capabilities and minimal applications, then at some point users can add as required.

A lot of the newer Ultrabooks don't have cd/dvd players, I pull them out and use HDD caddies instead. There are still folks out there who have next to no internet access, dial-up, low monthly caps, use the local library etc that can'r download large images in one hit. Even though I have no such issues internet wise, I use UEFI and Secure boot and don't do update installs. It's a pain to have to download the DVD to install.... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) GNOME 3.8.4 Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop up 0:04, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 1.13, 0.65 CPU Intel® B840@1.9GHz | GPU Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org