Personally, I don't see the point. Now that GNOME 3 has classic mode [1] I argue that we already have a desktop that preserves the GNOME 2 approach to things and, as its achieved by using shell extensions to alter GNOME 3, Classic mode already has support for most of the features you list in MATES future

I personally think we should only add additional DE's to the distribution when they bring something substantially different to the table;

Well and I personally would prefer to completely drop gnome 3... 2013/9/17 Richard Brown :

On 17 September 2013 08:01, Benjamin Denisart wrote:

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Hello everyone !

As you probably all know, Stefano Karapetsas has introduce Mate during the OSC. I will quickly summarize it :

MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. It provides an intuitive and attractive desktop to Linux users using traditional metaphors. he MATE Desktop Project is dedicated to keeping alive the traditional GNOME2 desktop metaphor. Many users liked this desktop, and found it simple, configurable, and comfortable to use. Our goal is to continue the development of this desktop environment, adding new features, fixing bugs, and improving the software as support libraries and other dependent software improved and changes.

Differences between Gnome2 and Mate : - Removed obsolete technologies and replaced it with modern one - Some new features - Bugfixes - GTK3 themes support

Future of Mate - Support GTK3 and Wayland - Complete support for systemd - Support GStreamer 1.0 - Support AccountsService - Window snapping in window manager - Plugin system for file manager - Remove useless forks and use GNOME equivalent ( gnome-keyring, gweather, yelp-tools, libwnck, etc.)

I think you all agree to say that MATE is become very popular, maybe essential for every Linux distribution, and that the case for the most popular distributions, I think MATE must be include into OpenSUSE.

The question is, of course : Do we wan't MATE in OpenSUSE ? Thanks in advance.

Best regards. Benjamin Denisart

Personally, I don't see the point. Now that GNOME 3 has classic mode [1] I argue that we already have a desktop that preserves the GNOME 2 approach to things and, as its achieved by using shell extensions to alter GNOME 3, Classic mode already has support for most of the features you list in MATES future

I personally think we should only add additional DE's to the distribution when they bring something substantially different to the table; Admittedly I realise that with this criteria we probably don't need both lxde and xfce, but that's a discussion for another thread :-)

Regards, Richard

[1] http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2013/04/gnome-3-8-classic-for-opensuse... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Am 17.09.2013 10:27, schrieb Richard Brown:

Personally, I don't see the point. Now that GNOME 3 has classic mode [1] I argue that we already have a desktop that preserves the GNOME 2 approach to things

Have you even tried GNOME3 "classic mode"?

and, as its achieved by using shell extensions to alter GNOME 3, Classic mode already has support for most of the features you list in MATES future

I personally think we should only add additional DE's to the distribution when they bring something substantially different to the table; Admittedly I realise that with this criteria we probably don't need both lxde and xfce, but that's a discussion for another thread :-)

You obviously did not try this. Gnome classic mode is not remotely usable compared to XFCE (and probably MATE, if it is really gnome2-like). -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 17/09/2013 18:28, Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :

El 17/09/13 04:01, Benjamin Denisart escribió:

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The question is, of course : Do we wan't MATE in OpenSUSE ?

No we don't, what we want is at least one fully working DE, not pointless forks or dozens of half working solutions.

In fact I believe everything that is not KDE4 , GNOME3 and XFCE needs to be dropped from the distribution.

But you had accept cinnamon during a time and it is not a complete DE. Please let us a chance to prove Mate has a place in OpenSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 18/09/2013 06:53, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

Am 17.09.2013 19:12, schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 17/09/2013 18:28, Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :

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El 17/09/13 04:01, Benjamin Denisart escribió:

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The question is, of course : Do we wan't MATE in OpenSUSE ? No we don't, what we want is at least one fully working DE, not pointless forks or dozens of half working solutions.

In fact I believe everything that is not KDE4 , GNOME3 and XFCE needs to be dropped from the distribution.

But you had accept cinnamon during a time and it is not a complete DE. Please let us a chance to prove Mate has a place in OpenSUSE Don't take Cristian's as openSUSE project's opinion. He's just a guy who likes to voice his opinion.

Greetings, Stephan

Thanks Stephan. But what is your opinion ? Can I submit Mate to OpenSUSE ? Regards. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Le 18/09/2013 11:04, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

On 18.09.2013 10:55, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

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Le 18/09/2013 06:53, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

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Am 17.09.2013 19:12, schrieb denisart benjamin2:

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Le 17/09/2013 18:28, Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :

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El 17/09/13 04:01, Benjamin Denisart escribió:

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The question is, of course : Do we wan't MATE in OpenSUSE ? No we don't, what we want is at least one fully working DE, not pointless forks or dozens of half working solutions.

In fact I believe everything that is not KDE4 , GNOME3 and XFCE needs to be dropped from the distribution.

But you had accept cinnamon during a time and it is not a complete DE. Please let us a chance to prove Mate has a place in OpenSUSE Don't take Cristian's as openSUSE project's opinion. He's just a guy who likes to voice his opinion.

Greetings, Stephan

Thanks Stephan. But what is your opinion ? Can I submit Mate to OpenSUSE ? I welcome maintained software people love and feel passioned about.

Greetings, Stephan

Stefan, Factory-auto tell me "X11:MATE:Factory' is not a valid devel project of openSUSE:Factory". And I don't find any documentation on how to get a project become Factory devel project. Can someone tell me how to do ? Thanks. Benjamin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

denisart benjamin2 writes:

I need that X11:MATE:Factory become a Factory devel project to submit Mate next. Can someone change meta for it ?

I think it is this osc command: changedevelrequest (changedevelreq, cr) Create request to change the devel package definition. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

denisart benjamin2 writes:

This command change devel project for a package alredy included in Factory

I guess you first simply create a submit request (sr) and once accepted create a change devel request (cr). Maybe, I miss something, but I'd simply try it that way. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 18.09.2013 13:42, denisart benjamin2 wrote:

Le 18/09/2013 13:39, Karl Eichwalder a écrit :

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denisart benjamin2 writes:

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This command change devel project for a package alredy included in Factory I guess you first simply create a submit request (sr) and once accepted create a change devel request (cr). Maybe, I miss something, but I'd simply try it that way.

I already try and Factory-Auto rejects these because X11:MATE:Factory is not a Factory devel project

This needs action an action of mine Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Quoting johann Luce :

hi

mate was submitted yesterday and i saw the beta is out today and the freeze is today

is there any chance to see mate in 13.1 ??

I think there is a reasonable chance. The packages are currently in the review queue against policies and best practices. Some passed, some failed, some are still in the queue. some were given the favor of doubt (with respective comments). I expect the maintainers to act upon the comments given and adjust accordingly. Best regards, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/17/2013 06:28 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

In fact I believe everything that is not KDE4 , GNOME3 and XFCE needs to be dropped from the distribution.

Are you referring to complete DEs, i.e. not to plain WMs like OpenBox etc., right? -- Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org