Hey Group; KDE4 on M3 is crashing without any programs up. Changing to tty6 and watching the kde output has shown a strange character output one time. It was some sort of udf-8 error as I remember from the output consistent with most times - Included is some of the errors captured. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb@comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb@arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316