[opensuse-factory] KDE Announcement from opensuse-announce
Just got the following from the announce list: -----Original Message----- From: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> To: opensuse-announce@opensuse.org Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 4:02 pm Subject: [opensuse-announce] KDE in openSUSE 11.1 and beyond After receiving a great deal of feedback on the issue of KDE 3.5 inclusion in openSUSE 11.1, the KDE team has decided to take the following course of action. * KDE 3.5 will be part of the DVD media for openSUSE 11.1, though we may need to slim the package selection for 3.5 sightly. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on the main desktop selection page, but will be included with other desktop environments and window managers like Xfce, WindowMaker, etc. * This will be the last release with KDE 3.5 packages maintained by the current KDE team. We are not opposed to continued development of KDE 3.5 by the community, however, and would be happy to work with contributors who are interested in packaging KDE 3.5.x for future releases of openSUSE. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on 11.2 "official" media or in the release repository for 11.2, but the community certainly has the option of creating KDE 3.5 packages in the build service, and creating live CDs with KDE 3.5 packages for 11.2. * The Novell KDE team will only be addressing P1 (high priority) bugs for KDE 3.5.x from this point forward. Again, this does not preclude community contributors from supporting KDE 3.5.x, and we encourage them to do so. We'd like to thank all the people who helped provide constructive feedback while we evaluated the best course for the next release of openSUSE. While we know that no solution is guaranteed to make every user happy, we think that we've reached the best compromise for openSUSE 11.1 and beyond, to ensure a smooth transition. Now that we have a clear path, we welcome any contributors who wish to help out. Please join the #opensuse-kde channel or speak up on the opensuse-factory list if you have any questions about how to get started with testing and packaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote: And, now my reply:
From: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> After receiving a great deal of feedback on the issue of KDE 3.5 inclusion in openSUSE 11.1, the KDE team has decided to take the following course of action. * KDE 3.5 will be part of the DVD media for openSUSE 11.1, though we may need to slim the package selection for 3.5 sightly.
I find that acceptable and say thanx.
* KDE 3.5 will not be included on the main desktop selection page, but will be included with other desktop environments and window managers like Xfce, WindowMaker, etc.
Don't know that I'm happy about this one, but I guess I can live with it.
* This will be the last release with KDE 3.5 packages maintained by the current KDE team. We are not opposed to continued development of KDE 3.5 by the community, however, and would be happy to work with contributors who are interested in packaging KDE 3.5.x for future releases of openSUSE. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on 11.2 "official" media or in the release repository for 11.2, but the community certainly has the option of creating KDE 3.5 packages in the build service, and creating live CDs with KDE 3.5 packages for 11.2.
I think a lot of this will depend upon the quaility of KDE4 in 11.1. I still feel that it would be worthwhile to delay the release to include KDE 4.2 IF it's going to make a big enough difference that it would be worthwhile. What does the roadmap say for 4.2? Will it be that be that much of a difference or will you guys be backporting the 4.2 changes to 4.1 before the release?
* The Novell KDE team will only be addressing P1 (high priority) bugs for KDE 3.5.x from this point forward. Again, this does not preclude community contributors from supporting KDE 3.5.x, and we encourage them to do so.
Makes sense. While there has been rumblings about a fork, there hasn't been anyone stepping up that I have seen.
We'd like to thank all the people who helped provide constructive feedback while we evaluated the best course for the next release of openSUSE. While we know that no solution is guaranteed to make every user happy, we think that we've reached the best compromise for openSUSE 11.1 and beyond, to ensure a smooth transition.
That's why they call it "stuck between a rock and a hard place".
Now that we have a clear path, we welcome any contributors who wish to help out. Please join the #opensuse-kde channel or speak up on the opensuse-factory list if you have any questions about how to get started with testing and packaging.
Will do what I can..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
And I assume for SUSE Enterprise KDE 3.5 is not going to be supported at all? What do we do for systems that SLED 10 does not have hardware support for? Very bad move IMO. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
And, now my reply:
From: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> After receiving a great deal of feedback on the issue of KDE 3.5 inclusion in openSUSE 11.1, the KDE team has decided to take the following course of action. * KDE 3.5 will be part of the DVD media for openSUSE 11.1, though we may need to slim the package selection for 3.5 sightly.
I find that acceptable and say thanx.
* KDE 3.5 will not be included on the main desktop selection page, but will be included with other desktop environments and window managers like Xfce, WindowMaker, etc.
Don't know that I'm happy about this one, but I guess I can live with it.
* This will be the last release with KDE 3.5 packages maintained by the current KDE team. We are not opposed to continued development of KDE 3.5 by the community, however, and would be happy to work with contributors who are interested in packaging KDE 3.5.x for future releases of openSUSE. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on 11.2 "official" media or in the release repository for 11.2, but the community certainly has the option of creating KDE 3.5 packages in the build service, and creating live CDs with KDE 3.5 packages for 11.2.
I think a lot of this will depend upon the quaility of KDE4 in 11.1. I still feel that it would be worthwhile to delay the release to include KDE 4.2 IF it's going to make a big enough difference that it would be worthwhile. What does the roadmap say for 4.2? Will it be that be that much of a difference or will you guys be backporting the 4.2 changes to 4.1 before the release?
* The Novell KDE team will only be addressing P1 (high priority) bugs for KDE 3.5.x from this point forward. Again, this does not preclude community contributors from supporting KDE 3.5.x, and we encourage them to do so.
Makes sense. While there has been rumblings about a fork, there hasn't been anyone stepping up that I have seen.
We'd like to thank all the people who helped provide constructive feedback while we evaluated the best course for the next release of openSUSE. While we know that no solution is guaranteed to make every user happy, we think that we've reached the best compromise for openSUSE 11.1 and beyond, to ensure a smooth transition.
That's why they call it "stuck between a rock and a hard place".
Now that we have a clear path, we welcome any contributors who wish to help out. Please join the #opensuse-kde channel or speak up on the opensuse-factory list if you have any questions about how to get started with testing and packaging.
Will do what I can..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
And I assume for SUSE Enterprise KDE 3.5 is not going to be supported at all?
That is the current plan of record.
What do we do for systems that SLED 10 does not have hardware support for? Very bad move IMO.
Us taking the double burden of providing both KDE 3 and KDE 4 with openSUSE 11.1 without much community development support is to honor the strong requests we have received from the openSUSE user community. On the SUSE Linux Enterprise side the situation is genuinely different. This is an openSUSE list and business is off-topic here, but if you want to contact me directly I will be very interested to learn more about SLED customers using KDE, their preferences and needs, their current and planned installation sizes (and revenue for Novell ;-). Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:36:54 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
And, now my reply:
From: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> After receiving a great deal of feedback on the issue of KDE 3.5 inclusion in openSUSE 11.1, the KDE team has decided to take the following course of action. * KDE 3.5 will be part of the DVD media for openSUSE 11.1, though we may need to slim the package selection for 3.5 sightly.
I find that acceptable and say thanx.
Yeah, it seems fair enough. By the time 11.1 is out - say april - I'd expect many of the issues to be resolved. For those who want to contribute KDE3 patches or "backport" KDE3 apps to KDE4 (if that is possible - I don't know jack about C/C++) then they'll have plenty of time. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Yeah, it seems fair enough. By the time 11.1 is out - say april - I'd expect many of the issues to be resolved.
openSUSE 11.1 is slated to be released in December...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Yeah, it seems fair enough. By the time 11.1 is out - say april - I'd expect many of the issues to be resolved.
openSUSE 11.1 is slated to be released in December...... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
so basically they have turned around and said stiff you lot we are going ahead with the no where ready KDE4 come what may . If the standard of the release of 11.0 is anything to go by the maybe June 2009 may be long enough time to allow 11.1 to be fully sorted before it is released fully YMMV Mine most certainly does not. Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 08:33:18 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Yeah, it seems fair enough. By the time 11.1 is out - say april - I'd expect many of the issues to be resolved.
openSUSE 11.1 is slated to be released in December......
Oh, I guess the October/April timeframe is out the door then, eh? -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 08:33:18 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Yeah, it seems fair enough. By the time 11.1 is out - say april - I'd expect many of the issues to be resolved. openSUSE 11.1 is slated to be released in December......
Oh, I guess the October/April timeframe is out the door then, eh?
It was announced some time ago that the release cycle was changed to 6-9 months. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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