[opensuse-factory] Clean install of Tumbleweed on new computer
On opensuse.org you can only download a DVD for the current release. If one wants to install Tumbleweed cleanly on a new computer, do I have to first install the current release and the install Tumbleweed on top of it? Is this the way for a new machine that should get Tumbleweed? thanx Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Malte Gell <malte.gell@gmail.com> writes:
Is this the way for a new machine that should get Tumbleweed?
You can add Tumbleweed as an add-on repository during installation. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 03.06.2013 12:59, schrieb Andreas Schwab:
Malte Gell <malte.gell@gmail.com> writes:
Is this the way for a new machine that should get Tumbleweed?
You can add Tumbleweed as an add-on repository during installation.
Ok, but just adding http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ is not enough? I still would need http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/ You need all 5 from above for Tumbleweed? And, what ist the difference between repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed and distribution/openSUSE-current ? Is the "current" not Tumbleweed? Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:41, Malte Gell <malte.gell@...> wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 12:59, schrieb Andreas Schwab:
Malte Gell <malte.gell@gmail.com> writes:
Is this the way for a new machine that should get Tumbleweed?
You can add Tumbleweed as an add-on repository during installation.
Ok, but just adding
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/
is not enough? I still would need
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/
You need all 5 from above for Tumbleweed?
And, what ist the difference between repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed and distribution/openSUSE-current ? Is the "current" not Tumbleweed?
To resolve a few misunderstoodments: 1. Tumbleweed builds UPON openSUSE-current, it does NOT replace openSUSE-current. 2. in zypper the following applies to priorities: The LOWER the number, the HIGHER the repo priority. So, YES, you need ALL FIVE repos mentioned above, and IF you change the priorites away from their default (99) then in the following way: Prio | Repo-url ================ 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ 98 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ 98 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/ 97 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ Any questions left? Then please ask. - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-03 13:54, Yamaban wrote:
To resolve a few misunderstoodments:
1. Tumbleweed builds UPON openSUSE-current, it does NOT replace openSUSE-current.
And "current" is currently 12.3 :-)
Any questions left? Then please ask.
There is also a Tumbleweed portal, at <http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed>, where all these things are explained. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS 12.3 "Dartmouth" GM (rescate 1)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 03.06.2013 13:54, schrieb Yamaban:
So, YES, you need ALL FIVE repos mentioned above, and IF you change the priorites away from their default (99) then in the following way:
Prio | Repo-url ================ 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ 99 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ 98 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ 98 | http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/ 97 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/
In your example openSUSE:/Tumbleweed has higher priority than the update repos, shouldn´t the update repos have higher priority? Ok, Tumbleweed sits on top of the current distribution. So, once openSUSE 13.1 is availabe, the "tumbleweeded" system updates to 13.1 and on top the Tumbleweed packages get installed? This is the concept? So, I always have the current stable distribution plus Tumbleweed stuff? thanx Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Malte Gell <malte.gell@gmail.com> wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 12:59, schrieb Andreas Schwab:
Malte Gell <malte.gell@gmail.com> writes:
Is this the way for a new machine that should get Tumbleweed?
You can add Tumbleweed as an add-on repository during installation.
Ok, but just adding
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/
is not enough? I still would need
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/
You need all 5 from above for Tumbleweed?
And, what ist the difference between repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed and distribution/openSUSE-current ? Is the "current" not Tumbleweed?
Malte
Current is basically just a "symbolic link". It currently points to 12.3, so you can use direct references to 12.3 during the install, then change to point to the meta-version "current" after the fact. "Current" will get relinked to 13.1 when it goes gold in the fall. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 03.06.2013 14:16, schrieb Greg Freemyer:
Current is basically just a "symbolic link". It currently points to 12.3, so you can use direct references to 12.3 during the install, then change to point to the meta-version "current" after the fact. "Current" will get relinked to 13.1 when it goes gold in the fall.
Ok, does this mean Tumbleweed is installed on top of the current distribution? Is this the concept? So, the packages are taken from "current" which actually is the current distribution e.g. 12.3 and then the Tumbleweed repo installs the specific newer Tumbleweed packages on top? Once 13.1 is out, 13.1 gets installed from "current" and again from Tumbleweed repo the Tumbleweed packages gets installed, is this the way TW works? Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-06-03 14:24, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 14:16, schrieb Greg Freemyer:
Current is basically just a "symbolic link". It currently points to 12.3, so you can use direct references to 12.3 during the install, then change to point to the meta-version "current" after the fact. "Current" will get relinked to 13.1 when it goes gold in the fall.
Ok, does this mean Tumbleweed is installed on top of the current distribution? Is this the concept? So, the packages are taken from "current" which actually is the current distribution e.g. 12.3 and then the Tumbleweed repo installs the specific newer Tumbleweed packages on top?
Yes.
Once 13.1 is out, 13.1 gets installed from "current" and again from Tumbleweed repo the Tumbleweed packages gets installed, is this the way TW works?
Yes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS 12.3 "Dartmouth" GM (rescate 1)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 03.06.2013 16:03, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2013-06-03 14:24, Malte Gell wrote:
Once 13.1 is out, 13.1 gets installed from "current" and again from Tumbleweed repo the Tumbleweed packages gets installed, is this the way TW works?
Yes.
A very intersting approach. Why not make Tumbleweed the standard installation for openSUSE? The users would always have a current version, no need to manually update the distribution. Always an up to date system, just great. Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 12:02:52AM +0200, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 16:03, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2013-06-03 14:24, Malte Gell wrote:
Once 13.1 is out, 13.1 gets installed from "current" and again from Tumbleweed repo the Tumbleweed packages gets installed, is this the way TW works?
Yes.
A very intersting approach. Why not make Tumbleweed the standard installation for openSUSE? The users would always have a current version, no need to manually update the distribution. Always an up to date system, just great.
Because not all people want to run Tumbleweed. If you want to create an install image that has the Tumbleweed repos as the default ones, please do so (Studio should be able to create this for you), but I don't have the time or energy to create or maintain such a thing, sorry. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, June 03, 2013 09:09:07 PM Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 12:02:52AM +0200, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 16:03, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2013-06-03 14:24, Malte Gell wrote:
Once 13.1 is out, 13.1 gets installed from "current" and again from Tumbleweed repo the Tumbleweed packages gets installed, is this the way TW works?
Yes.
A very intersting approach. Why not make Tumbleweed the standard installation for openSUSE? The users would always have a current version, no need to manually update the distribution. Always an up to date system, just great.
Because not all people want to run Tumbleweed.
If you want to create an install image that has the Tumbleweed repos as the default ones, please do so (Studio should be able to create this for you), but I don't have the time or energy to create or maintain such a thing, sorry.
thanks,
greg k-h
Dear Greg, You seem to be the most knowledgeable participant in this interesting discussion. I seem to understand the gist of the discussions but there is one practical point I would like to clarify. The running version should/could be replaced by current. That seems the gist of the story if you want to automatically progress to 13.x and so on. But if I replace in my case 12.3 by current it does not recognize this new URL. What would be the precise content of my yast repositories to achieve this? -- Linux User 183145 using KDE4 and LXDE on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 12.3 (i586) Kernel: 3.9.4-11.g51bf0ff-default KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 565" 12:49pm up 12:50, 2 users, load average: 1.16, 0.91, 1.04 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 04.06.2013 08:07, schrieb C. Brouerius van Nidek:
The running version should/could be replaced by current. That seems the gist of the story if you want to automatically progress to 13.x and so on.
But if I replace in my case 12.3 by current it does not recognize this new URL. What would be the precise content of my yast repositories to achieve this?
What do you mean with "it does not recognize the new URL"? The URLs you have to add are these: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/ There is really not much you could do wrong. Don´t forget to disable or delete the old openSUSE 12.3 repos. Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, June 04, 2013 09:02:19 AM Malte Gell wrote:
Am 04.06.2013 08:07, schrieb C. Brouerius van Nidek:
The running version should/could be replaced by current. That seems the gist of the story if you want to automatically progress to 13.x and so on.
But if I replace in my case 12.3 by current it does not recognize this new URL. What would be the precise content of my yast repositories to achieve this?
What do you mean with "it does not recognize the new URL"? The URLs you have to add are these:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard/
http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-current/
http://download.opensuse.org/update/openSUSE-non-oss-current/
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/non-oss/
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/openSUSE-current/repo/oss/
There is really not much you could do wrong. Don´t forget to disable or delete the old openSUSE 12.3 repos.
Malte
Thanks. That worked. No idea whatI did wrong. Now it works as advertised. -- Linux User 183145 using KDE4 and LXDE on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 12.3 (i586) Kernel: 3.9.4-11.g51bf0ff-default KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3 "release 565" 15:44pm up 15:45, 2 users, load average: 1.05, 1.18, 1.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2013-06-04 at 00:02 +0200, Malte Gell wrote:
Am 03.06.2013 16:03, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
Yes.
A very intersting approach. Why not make Tumbleweed the standard installation for openSUSE? The users would always have a current version, no need to manually update the distribution. Always an up to date system, just great.
Great? Depends on whom you ask. Not for me, certainly. I value a year of no changes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGuclIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XHEwCeJZwzamtIvpzEmW5/8+yv+hX6 PCEAn12AiUPIQlwqN4vIqGLgubwpOENc =tmwS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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