In fact you're right, I was talking about f2fs and not e2fs. On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 15:46, Raphael Lydia Bertoche <rbertoche@puc-rio.br> wrote:

Maybe in the enterprise world it makes sense to try to protect your computers from bad flash drives by removing support for things, but I'm sure that's an idea that's opposed to the way most people that work with open or free software think, at least from where I'm standing, even if it has any real effectiveness as a defence against bad flash drives.

I say it without looking at the list: please get all those file systems back to Tumbleweed. I lost half an hour last night when I soft-bricked my phone to fastboot and suddenly my machine that did mkfs e2fs the other day couldn't mount the SD card with data I needed to repair the phone. But I now realize maybe this wasn't really that of a boomer since now I can present you with this cautionary tale. This is why you shouldn't just break any one of those systems that were for a long time supported on Tumbleweed and are probably in use somewhere, we can never now how often, and so we can't weight the potential damage of breaking it.

I felt sad at the time because I realized that feature was present some time before and was removed without any consent on my part and without a package removal that would make it explicit.

Also it would take me a considerable amount of time, even not being a novice Linux user, I've just been busy and never saw any changelogs or notices or more sadly this thread to find out which line I'd have to comment out, and even if it were as easy as a click hidden away somewhere, most users would never get to read this thread or to google it and would probably just think Tumbleweed doesn't support those filesystems any more and move on. Please stop assuming users are experts and don't make more difficult software for those that already don't know how to use it, just because you say it's not that much of them. Remember the user base of OpenSuSE is nothing alike SLES's.

Please move to the "whitelist" alike approach by default on SLES and leave Tumbleweed with this basic feature for working with any software system, even with those you don't use, even if you're not fond of it or it's old. At least don't do it by default, leave this kind of feature disabling as security measure optional. And of course, making people unable to mount as root as a security measure is just not ok. I'd be glad to see it working again.

Not to mention that making bad jokes about other users choices or knowledge in a mailing list should really be taken seriously. How come you behave like children in public like this, just because it's "the internet"? "The community" is not an excuse for your bad choices. If you say those things and think you know you user base, then you don't.

Please be less reckless in the future guys! In that and in not just breaking things.

With that said, with less of that I'll probably keep using your software for another ten years.

Best regards,

Raphael

Em sex, 1 de fev de 2019 18:13, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net escreveu:

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Jim Henderson composed on 2019-02-01 19:19 (UTC):

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On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 12:26:18 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:

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Well, I've only been using Linux since 1995, but I managed to figure it out with exfat. It isn't rocket science, and with proper documentation, we make it pretty clear for the dozen people who need hpfs because they still want to run OS/2 and Linux on the same box.

You have statistics to back up this "dozen", right? Stuff that has been just working for decades doesn't get much press.

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How do you know that? Do you think a non-expert would know that?

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I think people should be able to figure it out, yes. Why do we assume that people are stupid or unable to ask questions when they run into problems? Isn't that what the community is for?

Remember for most people what computers are for? Saving time, and doing repetitive and difficult or otherwise impossible things. When something long working breaks, time saving morphs into time gobbling, not the least of which is Google's response to its bad responses feeding captchas instead of useful hits, the domino effect of one thing going wrong leading to multiple others before finding any light at the end of the tunnel, the kids stop screaming they're hungry, and sunrise begins before ever having gotten into bed.

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It just seems silly to me to cater to a relatively small minority of users who have a specific need.

Breaking what works because only some undefined population subset uses it. The voice of tyrannical majority speaking. If most don't need something, nobody needs it.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. 1686, Newton.

TGIF -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

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