[opensuse-factory] Documentation of systemd - sysvinit compatibility in Opensuse >= v12.2?
Where can I find documentation of Opensuse's >= v12.2's systemd compatibility layer that enables continued use of sysvinit init.d's? Also, any information on which init.d's do not exec after the -> systemd transition (e.g., after.local) would be helpful. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
Where can I find documentation of Opensuse's >= v12.2's systemd compatibility layer that enables continued use of sysvinit init.d's?
Also, any information on which init.d's do not exec after the -> systemd transition (e.g., after.local) would be helpful.
Today or tomorrow, we will prepare the upcoming openSUSE 12.2 documentation at http://doc.opensuse.org. There will be also a chapter about the systemd daemon. Stay tuned! :-) -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH (o< Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ Documentation Specialist 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v http://www.suse.com http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/thomas-schraitle/ SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-04 08:07, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Today or tomorrow, we will prepare the upcoming openSUSE 12.2 documentation at http://doc.opensuse.org. There will be also a chapter about the systemd daemon.
Chapter 5 will finally be written? That would be nice. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBF5L4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1zTvgEAi7OdQ870V4zVkb/qX2nkMc4H XTDVcgQJ8GIHYeTk0k0BAIlhxDZY8vvk5HT0EYFF+aMVXoHkl4EMG4nkB/qAfs/O =xe3I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Quoting "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org>:
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On 2012-09-04 08:07, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Today or tomorrow, we will prepare the upcoming openSUSE 12.2 documentation at http://doc.opensuse.org. There will be also a chapter about the systemd daemon.
Chapter 5 will finally be written? That would be nice.
systemd is chapter 6: http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-reference/cha.s... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-04 13:26, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:
Quoting "Carlos E. R." <>:
Chapter 5 will finally be written? That would be nice.
systemd is chapter 6: http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-reference/cha.s...
Yes, I see both chapters 5 and 6 completed. Good! I have been waiting for that doc for almost a year. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBF5uoACgkQja8UbcUWM1xZDwD/dnRTcohwf9NsOdgtimZkd7xO RENonWcyXpQTrNOJ3+0A/inafILgMyeZW7DYhm+wudgkGspRLE3qwgqHbgoS14L2 =h4FX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 08:07 +0200, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Hi,
Where can I find documentation of Opensuse's >= v12.2's systemd compatibility layer that enables continued use of sysvinit init.d's?
Also, any information on which init.d's do not exec after the -> systemd transition (e.g., after.local) would be helpful.
Today or tomorrow, we will prepare the upcoming openSUSE 12.2 documentation at http://doc.opensuse.org. There will be also a chapter about the systemd daemon.
Stay tuned! :-)
-- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle
Thomas, I wonder if including a .mobi format in the list of download options is also a good idea? Amazon's Kindle does not automatically read EPUBs and you have to convert them before putting on your Kindle. Yes, we can all do this ourselves, but reducing steps for users so they can just download and read right away might be a good measure. http://techsupport.foreverwarm.com/how-to-read-epub-books-on-your-kindle I haven't checked if Nook also needs this conversion as I don't have a Nook. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Bryan,
On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 08:07 +0200, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Thomas,
I wonder if including a .mobi format in the list of download options is also a good idea? Amazon's Kindle does not automatically read EPUBs and you have to convert them before putting on your Kindle.
Yes, we have that already on our TODO list: See https://sourceforge.net/p/daps/tickets/98/ We create all of our formats from DocBook and convert them with the help of the DocBook stylesheets to different formats, including EPUB. However, there is no direct way from DocBook to Mobi pocket. Our plan is to improve our doc mechanics so it will support Mobi pocket in the (near) future too.
Yes, we can all do this ourselves, but reducing steps for users so they can just download and read right away might be a good measure.
Right, fully agree.
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On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 14:05 +0200, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Yes, we have that already on our TODO list: See https://sourceforge.net/p/daps/tickets/98/
We create all of our formats from DocBook and convert them with the help of the DocBook stylesheets to different formats, including EPUB. However, there is no direct way from DocBook to Mobi pocket. Our plan is to improve our doc mechanics so it will support Mobi pocket in the (near) future too.
Cool! Looking forward to seeing that announcement. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-04 14:05, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
We create all of our formats from DocBook and convert them with the help of the DocBook stylesheets to different formats, including EPUB. However, there is no direct way from DocBook to Mobi pocket. Our plan is to improve our doc mechanics so it will support Mobi pocket in the (near) future too.
Very nice, having an epub format. I just uploaded it to my kobo ereader. Quirks: * The file is "huge". All my ebooks are 0.1 or 0.2 MB - the reference book is 5 MB, that's huge. Perhaps you are not using compression? * It does not show a cover page, it shows instead the “about this guide page”. * The page numbers go from 1 to the end of the book, instead of being numbered per chapter. This means that when I open the book the reader has to render the whole file, which is slower than rendering just a chapter. * The page numbers do not match the actual page changes. * Typographic choices do not differentiate, everything is in the same font. Almost. Maybe some of those quirks are peculiarities of the Kobo ereader, I do not know. Maybe the epubs have to be customized for each device by the user using calligra, for instance. I can not try that at the moment. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBF98IACgkQja8UbcUWM1zgOQD/YjXjSxCXK592eDMpnfPOzuQB 5KuktUpDXdQJGzwlhVUA/R4OYn1qWf13qWUQzNn9/zRUGBScB9D9isUFzpL0l3mz =VSqV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Carlos, thanks for the report!
[...] Very nice, having an epub format. I just uploaded it to my kobo ereader.
Quirks:
* The file is "huge". All my ebooks are 0.1 or 0.2 MB - the reference book is 5 MB, that's huge. Perhaps you are not using compression?
Hmn, we do use compression. After investigating further, the images are to blame. :) Ok, we should create smaller images.
* It does not show a cover page, it shows instead the “about this guide page”.
Ahh, right. That's a bug. I'll open a bug
* The page numbers go from 1 to the end of the book, instead of being numbered per chapter. This means that when I open the book the reader has to render the whole file, which is slower than rendering just a chapter.
That's the first time I hear of this feature. As the EPUB is more or less XHTML, I can't influence any page numbers. I guess, this is something that is influenced by your reader.
* The page numbers do not match the actual page changes.
Does XHTML have page numbers?
* Typographic choices do not differentiate, everything is in the same font. Almost.
That shouldn't be. The styling is mostly done by CSS. I've tested it in Calibre.
Maybe some of those quirks are peculiarities of the Kobo ereader, I do not know. Maybe the epubs have to be customized for each device by the user using calligra, for instance. I can not try that at the moment.
Unfortunately, I can only test our EPUBs with Calibre. I don't own a EPUB reader so it's hard to test them in different environments. Additionally, the devices support different features. Thanks! -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH (o< Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ Documentation Specialist 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v http://www.suse.com http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/thomas-schraitle/ SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Quoting Thomas Schraitle <toms@suse.de>:
Unfortunately, I can only test our EPUBs with Calibre. I don't own a EPUB reader so it's hard to test them in different environments. Additionally, the devices support different features.
Got any android devices lying around? There are a bunch of 'ebook' (epub) readers around. I myself use Aldiko, which works nicely for what I used it for so far. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-04 15:06, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
Hi Carlos,
thanks for the report!
Welcome. I have been actually reading the book while lying in bed, my favourite reading place, something I could not do since the paper one disappeared :-)
* The file is "huge". All my ebooks are 0.1 or 0.2 MB - the reference book is 5 MB, that's huge. Perhaps you are not using compression?
Hmn, we do use compression. After investigating further, the images are to blame. :) Ok, we should create smaller images.
Ah, could be that. I show one image, it is too small to be readable on my ereader. And a table overflowed the page (chapter 6).
* It does not show a cover page, it shows instead the “about this guide page”.
Ahh, right. That's a bug. I'll open a bug
Thanks.
* The page numbers go from 1 to the end of the book, instead of being numbered per chapter. This means that when I open the book the reader has to render the whole file, which is slower than rendering just a chapter.
That's the first time I hear of this feature. As the EPUB is more or less XHTML, I can't influence any page numbers. I guess, this is something that is influenced by your reader.
I don't know how this is done, because I tried myself with ebooks I generated (I don't remember if with Calligra or Calibre - I don't have any installed on my laptop and I'm not at home to check). Anyway, it is something that I have not managed to replicate when I generate epubs. When I buy a book for the kobo, each chapter has its own numbering, page 1 to 45, say. The next chapter goes from 1 to 30, etc. And each chapter is loaded separately - I guess they are separate files, but I can not know because of the DRM protection. When I generate an ebook I get the same results as you do: continuous page numbering that do not match the page changes.
* Typographic choices do not differentiate, everything is in the same font. Almost.
That shouldn't be. The styling is mostly done by CSS. I've tested it in Calibre.
If I were at home I'd scan how the device renders each font from the description page and you'd see what I mean. It could be a bug of the kobo ereader, so it would be interesting to hear from other people reports and compare.
Maybe some of those quirks are peculiarities of the Kobo ereader, I do not know. Maybe the epubs have to be customized for each device by the user using calligra, for instance. I can not try that at the moment.
Unfortunately, I can only test our EPUBs with Calibre. I don't own a EPUB reader so it's hard to test them in different environments.
Pity.
Additionally, the devices support different features.
Very true...
Thanks!
Welcome :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBGNNUACgkQja8UbcUWM1yRIgD+MvDyzDS7Hrsq/sbCC4GT+3FN 33hfKzlV+L/dlCFKacEBAJTVYlEvEM92siHapGUaO5062S24gPRPWTLkjVcyg1s7 =9RFN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
[...] Welcome. I have been actually reading the book while lying in bed, my favourite reading place, something I could not do since the paper one disappeared :-)
Hehe, yes, very convenient.
[...]
Ahh, right. That's a bug. I'll open a bug
Thanks.
See bnc#778759. I couldn't add your mail address to the bug
[...] I don't know how this is done, because I tried myself with ebooks I generated (I don't remember if with Calligra or Calibre - I don't
It's probably Calibre from http://calibre-ebook.com/. Calligra is the KDE office suite. Don't know if the latter also reads EPUBs.
have any installed on my laptop and I'm not at home to check). Anyway, it is something that I have not managed to replicate when I generate epubs.
When I buy a book for the kobo, each chapter has its own numbering, page 1 to 45, say. The next chapter goes from 1 to 30, etc. And each chapter is loaded separately - I guess they are separate files, but I can not know because of the DRM protection.
Interesting. Well, we produce our EPUB from the output from the DocBook stylesheets. I'm not aware of any parameter to tune this. But thanks to your hint, I will investigate it further.
[...]
If I were at home I'd scan how the device renders each font from the description page and you'd see what I mean. It could be a bug of the kobo ereader, so it would be interesting to hear from other people reports and compare.
Calibre shows the headers in bold and all URLs, commands, options, etc. in a monospaced font.
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Le lundi 03 septembre 2012 à 08:25 -0700, chrysippus@operamail.com a écrit :
Where can I find documentation of Opensuse's >= v12.2's systemd compatibility layer that enables continued use of sysvinit init.d's?
There is no change in 12.2, compared to 12.1 regarding initscripts compatibility: it is working and you can still use rc<service> (when available) or /etc/init.d/<service_name> or /sbin/service <service> as before.
Also, any information on which init.d's do not exec after the -> systemd transition (e.g., after.local) would be helpful.
This has been discussed in another subthread. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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