[opensuse-factory] Why "patterns" were born in openSUSE ? and UI idea.
hi all ! Sorry for the stupid question, but I really want to know the direction of this idea. Generally, I believe in order to make newbies feel "at home", so they could learn Linux easier. Advanced ppl don't really need patterns (but it saves time even to advanced ppl)... I have opened a discussion about his topic: do we need to add "every" package to pattern to make it full, or just keep patterns *compact* ? This idea was used by RedHat from the ancient ages... Also in RedHat when a user selects a pattern so packages are "must-have" and are auto-selected while others are not. Do we wanna keep their principle ? =============================================== I have a better idea of organizing patterns UI: Ability to make one of 4 choices on each pattern, perhaps with a radio button. A. Unselected pattern (if user does not choose) B. Default Selected pattern. (if user chooses pattern, but doesn't touch the packages) C. Custom selected pattern. (if user chose pattern, and selected/deselected some packages - this must be shown) D. Fully selected pattern.(if user chose this with a radio button, or if he manually chose *every* package in this pattern) This idea is based on the concept that *every* package is included in at least 1 pattern. =============================================== Generally I like the patterns idea. -Alexey Eremenko. 27.10.2006. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Alexey Eremenko schrieb:
hello - anybody here?
Yes, sure, but the proposal is, sorry to say, a little bit late. The distribution reached the Beta stage yesterday and is stabilizing right now. In general, I'd say that a rework or redesign of the idea behind patterns should _really_ wait for openSUSE 10.3. The patterns have been worked on for weeks. By all means, clearly missing packages should be added to the patterns even now, but let's not reconsider the general ideas now, 1 month before the distribution is finished. The general idea now is that patterns contain a small number of packages which in turn pull in other packages by dependencies. The patterns are not specifically designed with either newbies or experts in mind. The idea of making every package part of at least one group is interesting, but actually already implemented: Every package is part of exactly one rpm "Group". I don't think that duplicating what already exists as rpm "Groups" in patterns makes a lot of sense, certainly not now. Note that YaST can display package groups next to patterns: It's the "filter" drop-down menu in yast2 sw_single. Andreas Hanke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 10/27/06, Andreas Hanke <andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de> wrote:
Alexey Eremenko schrieb:
hello - anybody here?
Yes, sure, but the proposal is, sorry to say, a little bit late. The distribution reached the Beta stage yesterday and is stabilizing right now.
In general, I'd say that a rework or redesign of the idea behind patterns should _really_ wait for openSUSE 10.3. The patterns have been worked on for weeks.
it's OK. I hope I will remember the idea for 10.3 and reintroduce it... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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