New Tumbleweed snapshot 20240725 released!
Please note that this mail was generated by a script. The described changes are computed based on the x86_64 DVD. The full online repo contains too many changes to be listed here. Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725 Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725) === Details === ==== openSUSE-release ==== Version update (20240724 -> 20240725) Subpackages: openSUSE-release-appliance-custom openSUSE-release-dvd - automatically generated by openSUSE-release-tools/pkglistgen
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-) -- Stefan Seyfried
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
i guess the many submissions that are not on the DVD Viele Grüße Axel -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Tablet mit K-9 Mail gesendet. Am 27. Juli 2024 09:57:55 MESZ schrieb Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory <factory@lists.opensuse.org>:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-) -- Stefan Seyfried
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
Op zaterdag 27 juli 2024 09:57:55 CEST schreef Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&versi on=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details ===
Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
You might try "sudo rpm -ql openSUSE-release" to find out what is renewed. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf
Am 27.07.24 um 09:57 schrieb Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
https://openqa.opensuse.org/snapshot-changes/opensuse/Tumbleweed/diff/202407... Regards, Frank
On Sat, 2024-07-27 at 14:26 +0200, Frank Krüger via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Am 27.07.24 um 09:57 schrieb Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
https://openqa.opensuse.org/snapshot-changes/opensuse/Tumbleweed/diff/202407...
Almost - but not really :) That site always gives the diff to the snapshot marked as 'current' - it does NOT give information abot what exactly is in the snapshot when the current marker is not on the one you expect it to be on. Cheers, Dominique
On Sat, 27 Jul 2024, 09:57:55 +0200, Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
If you haven't already installed the upgrade, you can see what it would do: sudo zypper dup -D It wasn't much on my system: $ sudo grep '2024-07-26 18:' /var/log/zypp/history | grep 'installed ok' # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 xfce4-screenshooter-lang installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 xfce4-screenshooter-plugin installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 xfce4-screenshooter installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 yt-dlp-bash-completion installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 python311-yt-dlp installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 perl-File-RandomAccess installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 perl-Image-ExifTool installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 openSUSE-release-appliance-custom installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 openSUSE-release installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 exiftool installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 yt-dlp installed ok # 2024-07-26 18:18:34 sslscan installed ok Dunno why this snapshot had been released, though.
Stefan Seyfried
Cheers. l8er manfred
On Sat, 2024-07-27 at 09:57 +0200, Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Please check the known defects of this snapshot before upgrading: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&groupid=1&version=Tumbleweed&build=20240725
Please do not reply to this email to report issues, rather file a bug on bugzilla.opensuse.org. For more information on filing bugs please see https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
As the message indicates: the changelog generator only includes changes from packages on the DVD - in this case, all changes are on packages NOT part of the DVD you can always follow https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/commit@lists.opensuse.org/ to get more detailed information about all changes/checkins to Factory Cheers, Dominique
Hi Dominique, hi all, On 29.07.24 06:32 Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
As the message indicates: the changelog generator only includes changes from packages on the DVD - in this case, all changes are on packages NOT part of the DVD
Not sure how feasible that is, but limiting the changelog mail to things from the DVD seems like fallen out of time to me. The DVD contains some thousand of the 19+ thousand packages (I don't have an exact package count) so why only report on those? I guess this could be changed to show all changes (with a lot of work, I guess). But to be honest, I find the current state of the mail unreadable (for a big snapshot), so I do not know if it worth the effort to change it and make the mails even longer... I personally use this mail only as a "new release indicator", as most of the things I get updates for are not on the DVD anyway. So maybe rethinking the format, just sending a mail with a link to the full changelog on $WEBPAGE might also be of worth? Again: This might mean a lot of work, so I am not sure if it would be worth implementing if everybody is fine with the current state... Kind Regards, Johannes
On 2024-07-29 09:31, Johannes Kastl wrote:
Hi Dominique, hi all,
On 29.07.24 06:32 Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
As the message indicates: the changelog generator only includes changes from packages on the DVD - in this case, all changes are on packages NOT part of the DVD
Not sure how feasible that is, but limiting the changelog mail to things from the DVD seems like fallen out of time to me. The DVD contains some thousand of the 19+ thousand packages (I don't have an exact package count) so why only report on those?
I guess this could be changed to show all changes (with a lot of work, I guess).
But to be honest, I find the current state of the mail unreadable (for a big snapshot), so I do not know if it worth the effort to change it and make the mails even longer...
I personally use this mail only as a "new release indicator", as most of the things I get updates for are not on the DVD anyway. So maybe rethinking the format, just sending a mail with a link to the full changelog on $WEBPAGE might also be of worth?
Again: This might mean a lot of work, so I am not sure if it would be worth implementing if everybody is fine with the current state...
Kind Regards, Johannes
The announcement mails have already had the habit of exceeding the maximum size allowed to the lists I imagine increasing the scope would be worse Maybe mail isn't the best format for tracking such things
Hi Richard, On 29.07.24 10:04 Richard Brown wrote:
On 2024-07-29 09:31, Johannes Kastl wrote:
So maybe rethinking the format, just sending a mail with a link to the full changelog on $WEBPAGE might also be of worth?
Maybe mail isn't the best format for tracking such things
Exactly my thoughts. Thinking even further, having a webpage with a clickable table-of-contents (pointing to the packages changed) might make the entries even more accessable. Kind Regards, Johannes
On 7/29/24 10:04, Richard Brown wrote:
Maybe mail isn't the best format for tracking such things
I personally like the current format. Okay, sometimes it becomes a bit large. So when the scope would change from DVD to "all-in-Factory", then probably the details section could be moved to and generated as a web page ... and the link to it could be added instead. The short list is always useful IMO. Bikeshedding: Maybe the short list could be grouped by upstream version changes first vs. OBS changes afterwards, like: === Upstream updates === pkg-a (1.2.0-12.1 -> 1.2.1-1.1) pkg-c (2.0.9-3.1 -> 2.1.0-1.2) === OBS changes === pkg-b (3.2.1-1.1 -> 3.2.1-2.1) pkg-d (1.2.3-4.1 -> 1.2.3-5.1) ... or just leave it as it is. :-) Have a nice day, Berny
You have an amazing opportunity ahead https://hackweek.opensuse.org/24/projects/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:32 AM Johannes Kastl <mail@johannes-kastl.de> wrote:
Hi Dominique, hi all,
On 29.07.24 06:32 Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
As the message indicates: the changelog generator only includes changes from packages on the DVD - in this case, all changes are on packages NOT part of the DVD
Not sure how feasible that is, but limiting the changelog mail to things from the DVD seems like fallen out of time to me. The DVD contains some thousand of the 19+ thousand packages (I don't have an exact package count) so why only report on those?
I guess this could be changed to show all changes (with a lot of work, I guess).
But to be honest, I find the current state of the mail unreadable (for a big snapshot), so I do not know if it worth the effort to change it and make the mails even longer...
I personally use this mail only as a "new release indicator", as most of the things I get updates for are not on the DVD anyway. So maybe rethinking the format, just sending a mail with a link to the full changelog on $WEBPAGE might also be of worth?
Again: This might mean a lot of work, so I am not sure if it would be worth implementing if everybody is fine with the current state...
Kind Regards, Johannes
-- Best regards Luboš Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager
On 27/07/2024 09.57, Stefan Seyfried via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Am 26.07.24 um 16:00 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
Packages changed: openSUSE-release (20240724 -> 20240725)
=== Details === Now it would be an interesting background story why this change warrants a new snapshot ;-)
https://github.com/bmwiedemann/openSUSE/compare/20240724...20240725 or https://github.com/bmwiedemann/openSUSE/compare/20240725...20240726 While the git tags are not guaranteed to match OBS builds, it can give an approximation.
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Axel Braun -
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Dominique Leuenberger -
Dominique Leuenberger -
Frank Krüger -
Freek de Kruijf -
Johannes Kastl -
Lubos Kocman -
Manfred Hollstein -
Richard Brown -
Stefan Seyfried