Tumbleweek - Review of the week 2022/13
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers, During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door. Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time. This is a minimal tradeoff between stability and plannability – after all, we all trust our developers and maintainers and we know that they test things before sending them your way. So no more need to slow down using QA! Anyway, the 4 snapshots we delivered during this week contained these updates: * GStreamer 1.20.1 * Snapper 0.10.0 * Mozilla Firefox 98.0.2 * systemd 250.4 * timezone 2022a * ibus 1.5.26 – fixes some incompatibilities with GNOME 42 Of course, we continue planning what will come through in the next few days; currently, the plan includes: * Linux kernel 5.17.1 * KDE Plasma 5.24.4 * Mesa 22.0.1 * gcc12: we won’t be switching to it as the default compiler yet, but we will start using the provided libstdc libraries from gcc12 (phazes migration, as done in the past) * procps-ng 4.0 Cheers, Dominique
Another proof that if it compiles it works, thus ship it immediately ! On 4/1/22 15:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers,
During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door. Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time. This is a minimal tradeoff between stability and plannability – after all, we all trust our developers and maintainers and we know that they test things before sending them your way. So no more need to slow down using QA!
Am Freitag, 1. April 2022, 15:23:48 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
Of course, we continue planning what will come through in the next few days; currently, the plan includes:
* Linux kernel 5.17.1 * KDE Plasma 5.24.4 * Mesa 22.0.1 * gcc12: we won’t be switching to it as the default compiler yet, but we will start using the provided libstdc libraries from gcc12 (phazes migration, as done in the past) * procps-ng 4.0
I see no announcement of python 3.10 anymore.... Cheers Axel
On 01/04/2022 15.23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door. Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time. This is a minimal tradeoff between stability and plannability – after all, we all trust our developers and maintainers and we know that they test things before sending them your way. So no more need to slow down using QA!
As Product Owner of the team that develops openQA we of course fully support that move! With Tumbleweed as our main user not doing all those tests anymore we free up a lot of ressources which we can now finally apply to mine cryptocurrencies. Also with less users I expect less bug reports so we can focus on ... I don't know yet, we will find something to do ;) Have fun, Oliver for the openQA community mismanagement team
Il 01/04/22 10:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar ha scritto:
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers,
During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door. Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time. This is a minimal tradeoff between stability and plannability – after all, we all trust our developers and maintainers and we know that they test things before sending them your way. So no more need to slow down using QA!
Anyway, the 4 snapshots we delivered during this week contained these updates:
* GStreamer 1.20.1 * Snapper 0.10.0 * Mozilla Firefox 98.0.2 * systemd 250.4 * timezone 2022a * ibus 1.5.26 – fixes some incompatibilities with GNOME 42
Of course, we continue planning what will come through in the next few days; currently, the plan includes:
* Linux kernel 5.17.1 * KDE Plasma 5.24.4 * Mesa 22.0.1 * gcc12: we won’t be switching to it as the default compiler yet, but we will start using the provided libstdc libraries from gcc12 (phazes migration, as done in the past) * procps-ng 4.0
Cheers, Dominique As an old openSUSE user I have just to say MANY THANKS to all the people which are working "behind the curtains of this project".
I tell this really heart-fully, despite in some occasions I complained about something that has broken, both due a new package installation, or even and more often due a personal mistake. Thanks everybody, as well as the people which are always prompt to help through the openSUSE mailing-list. Best regards! -- Marco Calistri Build: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20220330 Kernel:5.16.15-1-default Desktop: XFCE (4.16.0)
Hello, Am Freitag, 1. April 2022, 15:23:48 CEST schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door. Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time. This is a minimal tradeoff between stability and plannability – after all, we all trust our developers and maintainers and we know that they test things before sending them your way. So no more need to slow down using QA!
As someone who remembers the good old times when everybody just used Factory (and "tumbleweed" only described plants rolling through the dessert), I fully support this move. The good old Factory always "just worked", and I'm looking forward to get the latest packages faster than in in the last years with these annoying delays caused by openQA. To make the move complete, can we please start to use the name "Factory" again? Regards, Christian Boltz PS: Even if there are a few bugs left, I'm sure nobody will notice them. To give a practical example: I introduced a bug in the AppArmor package 4 years ago, and so far nobody noticed it. Another bug introduced 7.5 years ago went unnoticed until a few days ago. "Of course" openQA also didn't find these bugs, which confirms that it's useless and superfluous ;-) -- looks like you have some special code in yast for password "x", maybe I should use the even more secure new password "y" in the future ?! ;-) [Harald Koenig in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=148464]
Hello, Am Freitag, 1. April 2022, 18:30:24 CEST schrieb Christian Boltz:
PS: Even if there are a few bugs left, I'm sure nobody will notice them. To give a practical example: I introduced a bug in the AppArmor package 4 years ago, and so far nobody noticed it. Another bug introduced 7.5 years ago went unnoticed until a few days ago. "Of course" openQA also didn't find these bugs, which confirms that it's useless and superfluous ;-)
Just for the records: If someone thought I was joking on April 1st - no, I was not ;-) https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/966667 fixes these bugs. Special thanks to Noel who helped a lot in debugging this! Regards, Christian Boltz -- I would say we first handle world-domination and then see what we can do for languages. [houghi in opensuse]
On 4/1/22 06:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
Dear Tumbleweed users and hackers, During this week, we only managed to get 4 snapshots (0324, 0328, 0329, and 0330) out of the door.
I'm hugely appreciative of the speed TW rolls even in a 'slow' week!
Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time.
Does this mean each day will see a new release, e.g. there will be a daily `dup` possible?
Cheers, Dominique
Thank you again for all who work so hard on the openSUSE project! -- Cameron.Cn 柯智明 只要努力,就能成功 With hard work, success is possible.
El 1/4/22 a las 19:07, Cameron R. Cumberland escribió:
Seems QA is slowing us down too much, so I decided to give up on it. To make Tumbleweed more plannable for upgraders, the new process will foresee a fixed time when a snapshot will go out – daily at 5 pm UTC. We will just ship out whatever we have built by that time.
Does this mean each day will see a new release, e.g. there will be a daily `dup` possible?
Hello! I think that this daily express snapshots without openQA tests only will be available today in April's fool (wink, wink) Greetings... -- ------------------- GPG Key: 0xcc742e8dc9b7e22a Fingerprint = 6FE2 3B1F AAC8 E5B7 63EA 88A9 CC74 2E8D C9B7 E22A Aprende a proteger la privacidad de tu correo: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/es/ Mi blog sobre openSUSE, GNU/Linux y software libre: https://victorhckinthefreeworld.com/ Herramientas para proteger tu privacidad https://victorhck.gitlab.io/privacytools-es/
On 4/1/22 10:22, victorhck wrote:
El 1/4/22 a las 19:07, Cameron R. Cumberland escribió: Hello! I think that this daily express snapshots without openQA tests only will be available today in April's fool (wink, wink)
Aww man, I was really looking forward to running untested pre-alpha code! Every day, an entirely new OS!
Greetings...
-- Cameron.Cn 柯智明 只要努力,就能成功 With hard work, success is possible.
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