[opensuse-factory] when is next update in factory
Hello When is the next update due on http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/factory/repo/oss/ - the last update i see is 14-Oct-2009 on http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2009-10/date3.html - I see commits up to 22 October, 2009 How often does the refresh/update/sync line up between them ?. Thanks Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, doiggl@velocitynet.com.au wrote:
Every 4 hours. I see time stamps from yesterday, but won't dig deeper if not really necessary. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 23 October 2009 01:35:50 doiggl@velocitynet.com.au wrote:
Check: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2009-10/msg00069.html Factory is basically disabled to allow bootstrapping of 11.2, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
<doiggl@velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
There seem to be more problems, I cannot see packages for cdrtools. Why are these packages missing? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
There was some talk about including cdrtools some time ago but it lead nowhere cause the cdrtools developer was incredible stubborn and showed an amazing attitude (to say it politely) that made it impossible for him to accept any other opinion than his own regardless of the argument. The problem is that the opinions about the compatibility of the cdrtools license slightly diverged and he refused to dual license cdrtools which would solve the problem within the blink of an eye. Perhaps you can convince him? best Stephan
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On Friday 23 October 2009 10:53:56 Joerg Schilling wrote:
cdrtools is in the Base:System project and distributed that way and just looking at it, the packaging and the setup does not look sane. Who's the maintainer of the package? I see the following problems and the maintainer should fix these: * The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round. * There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
I cannot find it in the repositories named above, this is my question. Could you please answer this question. If cdrtools is part of the base system, why are the packages not at the place (see above) where other similar packages could be found?
We did have an in depth discussion on the package in the first week of september. During this time, several fixes have been made (e.g. adding suid root to some files in order to allow them to be able to work and adding some files that mkisofs needs for the character translation). If you don't like it the way it is now, why didn't you ask 8 weeks ago?
* The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round.
??? Could you please explain this? I don't understand you. The fact that the packaging for cdrtools is made as a "home project" is a result of the fact that Suse did not provide the packages although they are needed by the users.
* There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed
We are not talking about the cdrkit package but about the free original. The cdrtools source contains a very detailed changelog and the suse package also contains a suse specific changelog file. This this not enough? If you have problems with the package itself, you should ask the person who makes the package. I am shure he is open to useful input. BTW: the package fixes a bug in the suse distro as the entries for cdrecord, cdda2wav, readcd and rscsi to allow suid root are missing. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2009/10/25 Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>:
A package being in Base:System doesn't means it will be in the main repository. It just means the packager wants to give some kind of "good", even if no official, support (otherwise the package is kept in its home repository where he isn't expected to support it at all). For the package to be in the main repository a request must be done to include it in the openSUSE:Factory repository. I know a name as "Base:System" sound kind of serious. But that's the same for everything... the games repository has a lot of games, some of them are in the main repo and others aren't. If the packager didn't made a request (through the "osc submitreq" command) for cdrtools to be included in openSUSE:Factory then it will not be there. Why he didn't? I don't know, perhaps he just doesn't wants to force himself to support the package officially for 18 months.
Reading http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-08/msg00120.html, he said: "And if Henning (?) likes to submit the package to openSUSE:Factory...". Again, openSUSE:Factory isn't the same than Base:System. The former has official support, the later doesn't.
It's just the way how the Build Service works. You can "link" a package from on repository to another. It's ok to link a package from Base:System to your home repository in case you want to "play" with it, once you are sure about your changes then you submit them to Base:System. Linking from a home project to Base:System is "wrong"... mostly cosmetical, but makes little sense for an "important" repository to link against a less important repository. In the linked message it was already said that "Unfortunately we're after the feature freeze for 11.2", so if there is any option for cdrtools to be in openSUSE it will be for 11.3. If this is going to happen the first step is for someone to say (with an osc submitreq) "look, this is my package, I'm going to support it for 18 months. I request it to be included in the main repo."... and then the case will be studied (spec file quality, legal problems, etc.). You can ask Henning to do so. If he doesn't wants you can do it (perhaps if your offer to help with the support he will accept...). Anyway all this would be for 11.3. Meanwhile any 11.2 user will be able to use the package from Base:System. But right now it doesn't even compiles (error: "could not apply patch 'project.diff'"), so... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Cristian Morales Vega <cmorve69@yahoo.es> wrote:
Then the names are missleading..
Well penSUSE:Factory includes cdrkit which is (besides the fact that is cannot be legally distributed) unsupported - there are more than 100 well known bugs that prevent usability and there is no attempt to fix them. Cdrtools on the other side _is_ well supported - there are no known bugs/problem in the code.
The way it is seems to be the way that was intended by the suse people. We had a related discussion 8 weeks ago and the current situation is a result of this discussion.
What was the situation 8 weeks ago? Anyway: My impression is that starting to ship cdrtools again is a bug fix for software that is currently only shipped in a broken variant (fork). It also helps to get rid of a problem with the legality of cdrkit.
There is no need to apply any patch as this is supported software. If it does not compile, then there yould be a problem in the suse base system (e.g. in the include files). But if you look at the repository, you see that there are binaries. Finally: the whole problem is a social problem that was created by a hostile packager at Debian. We, the OSS community need to find a way to deal with such social problems and we need to be prepared for other hostile downstreams. We need to analyze how this hostile person could be successful at all and how to prevent similar things from happening in the future. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 25, 09 14:49:45 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
It definitly is there: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cdrtools&project=Base:System
There was apparently a merge conflict with the changelog section of the spec-file some while ago. A patch was applied to Base:System to remove the unwanted <<<< === >>>> lines. I've undone this patch now, so It should build again. Buildservice did not tell me who did the patch (Henning?); I've removed it, as it no longer applies.
Topic is, that SUSE policy wants us to send Submit-Requests. So that Base:System owner approve updates. I suggest to (a) replace the link at Base:System with a full copy. I'd leave it up to Henning, if he would want (b) to have a link in his home pointing to Base:System or (c) his own copy. (a) & (b) effectivly has the link the other way round compared to the current situation. That is what AJ just mentioned.
[Off-topic again.] http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Changelogs explains that each package has a *.spec and a *.changes file. cdrtools currently fails this test. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 05:06:11PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I fixed the build and packaging issues to make it acceptable for Base:System, and packages have now built and it can get submitreqs like any other package. Same for smake. Ciao, Marcus (for the Base:System devel group ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2009 05:06 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Also because it uses Conflicts: cdrkit-cdrtools-compat and Provides: cdrkit-cdrtools-compat it's uninstallable. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, doiggl@velocitynet.com.au wrote:
Every 4 hours. I see time stamps from yesterday, but won't dig deeper if not really necessary. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 23 October 2009 01:35:50 doiggl@velocitynet.com.au wrote:
Check: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2009-10/msg00069.html Factory is basically disabled to allow bootstrapping of 11.2, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
<doiggl@velocitynet.com.au> wrote:
There seem to be more problems, I cannot see packages for cdrtools. Why are these packages missing? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
There was some talk about including cdrtools some time ago but it lead nowhere cause the cdrtools developer was incredible stubborn and showed an amazing attitude (to say it politely) that made it impossible for him to accept any other opinion than his own regardless of the argument. The problem is that the opinions about the compatibility of the cdrtools license slightly diverged and he refused to dual license cdrtools which would solve the problem within the blink of an eye. Perhaps you can convince him? best Stephan
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On Friday 23 October 2009 10:53:56 Joerg Schilling wrote:
cdrtools is in the Base:System project and distributed that way and just looking at it, the packaging and the setup does not look sane. Who's the maintainer of the package? I see the following problems and the maintainer should fix these: * The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round. * There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
I cannot find it in the repositories named above, this is my question. Could you please answer this question. If cdrtools is part of the base system, why are the packages not at the place (see above) where other similar packages could be found?
We did have an in depth discussion on the package in the first week of september. During this time, several fixes have been made (e.g. adding suid root to some files in order to allow them to be able to work and adding some files that mkisofs needs for the character translation). If you don't like it the way it is now, why didn't you ask 8 weeks ago?
* The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round.
??? Could you please explain this? I don't understand you. The fact that the packaging for cdrtools is made as a "home project" is a result of the fact that Suse did not provide the packages although they are needed by the users.
* There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed
We are not talking about the cdrkit package but about the free original. The cdrtools source contains a very detailed changelog and the suse package also contains a suse specific changelog file. This this not enough? If you have problems with the package itself, you should ask the person who makes the package. I am shure he is open to useful input. BTW: the package fixes a bug in the suse distro as the entries for cdrecord, cdda2wav, readcd and rscsi to allow suid root are missing. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger -
Cristian Morales Vega -
Dave Plater -
doiggl＠velocitynet.com.au -
Eberhard Moenkeberg -
Joerg.Schilling＠fokus.fraunhofer.de -
Juergen Weigert -
Marcus Meissner -
Stephan Kleine