[opensuse-factory] Banchee, amarok and others
Why is it that these programs are even on the CD/DVDs. They are broken for a reason However, Firefox, k3b and others call them up only to fail due to codec problems -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email:" n5xwb@comcast.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : " n5xwb@arrl.net " VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador " http://counter.li.org " #279316 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 28/09/09 18:42, Donn Washburn wrote:
Why is it that these programs are even on the CD/DVDs. They are broken for a reason However, Firefox, k3b and others call them up only to fail due to codec problems
Are you going to give a rationale why they are "broken" or are just ranting ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2009-09-28 at 18:58 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 28/09/09 18:42, Donn Washburn wrote:
Why is it that these programs are even on the CD/DVDs. They are broken for a reason However, Firefox, k3b and others call them up only to fail due to codec problems
Are you going to give a rationale why they are "broken" or are just ranting ?
You gotta be kiddin, right? Of course they are broken, in a sense. Don't you know that? For legal reasons, they are not distributed with all the features they are capable of. Every body knows that, except that we don't say 'broken' and give it some other name. It's the same. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrCaSoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W7eQCgmVqVOKDnep03xeLMCvWfqkQe CNEAnRj6McNyvm6Lns6vjtxYGwkTSJH+ =bH3p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 01:38:08 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
Of course they are broken, in a sense. Don't you know that?
For legal reasons, they are not distributed with all the features they are capable of.
why is that "broken" ? amarok works fine (don't know about banshee), but not all possible features are enabled without external repositories. out of the box amarok plays free formats; isn't that enough in a OSS distribution? (and it's not hard to get it play restricted formats either; no changes to amarok are necessary, just the codecs that can't be distributed ander GNU.) -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
why is that "broken" ? amarok works fine (don't know about banshee), but not all possible features are enabled without external repositories. out of the box amarok plays free formats; isn't that enough in a OSS distribution?
On Tuesday 29 Sep 2009 21:31:43 phanisvara das wrote: th4e above needs replacing with something sensible like XMMS now you want a media player a mighty fine example of one small efficent with the right bits plays anything unlike amarok WTF dreadfull trash just like the new incarnation of KSCD i mean are you all determined to to emulate M$ Corp
Hi, Le mercredi 30 septembre 2009, à 09:35 +0100, Peter Nikolic a écrit :
On Tuesday 29 Sep 2009 21:31:43 phanisvara das wrote:
why is that "broken" ? amarok works fine (don't know about banshee), but not all possible features are enabled without external repositories. out of the box amarok plays free formats; isn't that enough in a OSS distribution? th4e above needs replacing with something sensible like XMMS now you want a media player a mighty fine example of one small efficent with the right bits plays anything unlike amarok WTF dreadfull trash just like the new incarnation of KSCD i mean are you all determined to to emulate M$ Corp
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On Wednesday 30 September 2009 02:05:22 pm Peter Nikolic wrote:
plays anything unlike amarok
if xmms was in openSUSE repos, it wouldn't play mp3 either. it's not because of the player, but because of legal considerations with mp3 codecs. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
if xmms was in openSUSE repos, it wouldn't play mp3 either. it's not because of the player, but because of legal considerations with mp3 codecs.
Ummmm I thought we didn't have that issue anymore since the gstreamer codecs from Fluendo are in there somewhere (not on the DVD, but.. pulled in from an update)... they cover off MP3 quite nicely. I've not noticed any issues... or is that not the point here? (the point being that an install off DVD with no updates has limitations) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2009/9/30 Clayton <smaug42@gmail.com>:
if xmms was in openSUSE repos, it wouldn't play mp3 either. it's not because of the player, but because of legal considerations with mp3 codecs.
Ummmm I thought we didn't have that issue anymore since the gstreamer codecs from Fluendo are in there somewhere (not on the DVD, but.. pulled in from an update)... they cover off MP3 quite nicely. I've not noticed any issues... or is that not the point here? (the point being that an install off DVD with no updates has limitations)
C.
openSUSE had to stop distributing Fluendo codecs: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-04/msg00296.html Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 01 October 2009 12:24:53 am Luiz Fernando Ranghetti wrote:
openSUSE had to stop distributing Fluendo codecs:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-04/msg00296.html
this includes the packman repos. mp3 codecs are still available from the fluendo website, for free. before packman added xine codecs to the factory repos i used the fluendo stuff and it worked, sort of. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 01 October 2009 12:18:32 am Clayton wrote:
Ummmm I thought we didn't have that issue anymore since the gstreamer codecs from Fluendo are in there somewhere (not on the DVD, but.. pulled in from an update)... they cover off MP3 quite nicely. I've not noticed any issues... or is that not the point here? (the point being that an install off DVD with no updates has limitations)
certainly not my point, but the OP's, if i understood correctly. personally i prefer the codecs for xine though, since they have always been more stable for me. apparently he just wanted to vent his frustration over mp3 not playing out of the box; no question or anything useful in this thread. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 02:05:22 pm Peter Nikolic wrote:
WTF dreadfull trash
anybody forcing you to use amarok or banshee? i and others are happy with it; you got a problem with that? -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 29/09/09 16:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Of course they are broken, in a sense. Don't you know that?
We have different concepts of "broken" then.. and the legal issues you mention have no fix. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-09-29 at 17:16 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 29/09/09 16:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Of course they are broken, in a sense. Don't you know that?
We have different concepts of "broken" then.. and the legal issues you mention have no fix.
I know. But you have to be aware of what people mean when they say that these tools are "broken". I personally don't use the term. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrChb8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XEDwCcCvQZtunrkVWfm9RtmQSmnPNm U0kAn3NspwRceooWkEE1Z/ngnSmf21nV =thzW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 03:39:57 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
But you have to be aware of what people mean when they say that these tools are "broken". I personally don't use the term.
me thinks better to (try to) educate them, rather than agreeing with them. 'broken' is wrong; 'limited' would be a better choice. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-10-01 at 00:31 +0530, phanisvara das wrote:
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 03:39:57 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
But you have to be aware of what people mean when they say that these tools are "broken". I personally don't use the term.
me thinks better to (try to) educate them, rather than agreeing with them. 'broken' is wrong; 'limited' would be a better choice.
Even so, the first step is understanding what they mean by what they say. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrDtRcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VqQwCbBSm4BE0x40LZOv30WVvpf6rW vQwAn3VH5HbZM/Z002m2VqFI9Vu7Y3o8 =x0j6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Op 30-09-09 21:44, Carlos E. R. schreef:
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On Thursday, 2009-10-01 at 00:31 +0530, phanisvara das wrote:
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 03:39:57 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
But you have to be aware of what people mean when they say that these tools are "broken". I personally don't use the term.
me thinks better to (try to) educate them, rather than agreeing with them. 'broken' is wrong; 'limited' would be a better choice.
Even so, the first step is understanding what they mean by what they say.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Yep, that will allways be true. The old indian way: The speaker (the one who is holding the stick), has to repeat the words of the one spoken before him, to be sure all is understood well..., before he speaks his own words. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.31-8-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-SFN1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 (x86_64) KDE: 4.3.1 (KDE 4.3.1) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 29 September 2009 04:12:44 am Donn Washburn wrote:
They are broken for a reason
i don't know about banshee and "others," but amarok isn't broken. it doesn't play restricted formats without the packman repositories, but OGG, FLAC, and i don't know what else plays fine. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Carlos E. R. -
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Donn Washburn -
Luiz Fernando Ranghetti -
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Peter Nikolic -
phanisvara das -
Vincent Untz