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Keith Goggin

11 Sep 2006 11 Sep '06

04:12

I know there is still one alpha to go but here are my pre-beta beta comments :-) 1.The colour contrast on the initial (Splash?) screen is such that the F1 through F5 tabs are difficult to see. 2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required? 3.Would it be reasonable to link the default keyboard and language to the Country selected? For example: UK > UK English > UK Keyboard USA > US English > US Keyboard Australia & New Zealand > UK English > US Keyboard etcetera 4.In the KDE environment once the install is complete the user is confronted with an open 'K Menu' which obscures the desktop. For me it was not immediately obvious how to close it as the Icon didn't look at all like an Icon. May I suggest K Menu default to Closed. I hope this 'look and feel' has nothing to do with that other well know beta out there :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger

11 Sep 11 Sep

08:14

Keith Goggin writes:

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I know there is still one alpha to go but here are my pre-beta beta comments :-)

1.The colour contrast on the initial (Splash?) screen is such that the F1 through F5 tabs are difficult to see.

Yes, that will change.

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

It might hit people...

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3.Would it be reasonable to link the default keyboard and language to the Country selected? For example: UK > UK English > UK Keyboard USA > US English > US Keyboard Australia & New Zealand > UK English > US Keyboard etcetera

I thought this is done already? IS it not - please file a bugreport...

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4.In the KDE environment once the install is complete the user is confronted with an open 'K Menu' which obscures the desktop. For me it was not immediately obvious how to close it as the Icon didn't look at all like an Icon. May I suggest K Menu default to Closed. I hope this 'look and feel' has nothing to do with that other well know beta out there :-)

Please file this as bugreport against KDE, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Keith Goggin

16:03

On Monday 11 September 2006 18:14, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Keith Goggin writes:

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I know there is still one alpha to go but here are my pre-beta beta comments :-)

1.The colour contrast on the initial (Splash?) screen is such that the F1 through F5 tabs are difficult to see.

Yes, that will change.

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

It might hit people...

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3.Would it be reasonable to link the default keyboard and language to the Country selected? For example: UK > UK English > UK Keyboard USA > US English > US Keyboard Australia & New Zealand > UK English > US Keyboard etcetera

I thought this is done already? IS it not - please file a bugreport...

Done #204862

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4.In the KDE environment once the install is complete the user is confronted with an open 'K Menu' which obscures the desktop. For me it was not immediately obvious how to close it as the Icon didn't look at all like an Icon. May I suggest K Menu default to Closed. I hope this 'look and feel' has nothing to do with that other well know beta out there :-)

Please file this as bugreport against KDE,

Andreas

I now realise the user can switch between 'KDE Menu Style' and 'openSUSE Menu Style' by right mouse clicking on the 'K Menu' icon. I don't see any advantage in having a customised 'K Menu' for openSUSE and I would like to see openSUSE startup with 'K Menu' closed in 'KDE Menu Style' for the reason stated above. Should I still bugreport this one? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Azerion

17:01

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4.In the KDE environment once the install is complete the user is confronted with an open 'K Menu' which obscures the desktop. For me it was not immediately obvious how to close it as the Icon didn't look at all like an Icon. May I suggest K Menu default to Closed. I hope this 'look and feel' has nothing to do with that other well know beta out there :-)

Please file this as bugreport against KDE,

Andreas

I now realise the user can switch between 'KDE Menu Style' and 'openSUSE Menu Style' by right mouse clicking on the 'K Menu' icon. I don't see any advantage in having a customised 'K Menu' for openSUSE and I would like to see openSUSE startup with 'K Menu' closed in 'KDE Menu Style' for the reason stated above.

Should I still bugreport this one?

Check if the first reporter did not do so allready. I was not charmed by the new K-menu first. But now I use is for 2 days and guess what....I am beginning to like it. Will report that there is a delay in switching tabs. It does work quite nice. Try is for some time and you will see that it is not so bad. Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

12 Sep 12 Sep

10:41

Am Montag, 11. September 2006 18:03 schrieb Keith Goggin:

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I now realise the user can switch between 'KDE Menu Style' and 'openSUSE Menu Style' by right mouse clicking on the 'K Menu' icon. I don't see any advantage in having a customised 'K Menu' for openSUSE and I would like to see openSUSE startup with 'K Menu' closed in 'KDE Menu Style' for the reason stated above.

Should I still bugreport this one? It would get closed as WONTFIX. Both things are done on purpose.

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Ricardo Cruz

11 Sep 11 Sep

17:15

Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw. Cheers, Ricardo -- The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to build better mice. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Stanislav Visnovsky

12 Sep 12 Sep

11:23

Dňa Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Klaus Kaempf

11:24

* Stanislav Visnovsky [Sep 12. 2006 13:21]:

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Dňa Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically.

Or your computer case has a (closed) door in front of the CD drive. We might add a "automatically eject" checkbox in the "please insert CD x" popup which is initially off. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

20:20

On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 13:24 +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote:

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* Stanislav Visnovsky [Sep 12. 2006 13:21]:

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Dňa Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically.

Or your computer case has a (closed) door in front of the CD drive.

We might add a "automatically eject" checkbox in the "please insert CD x" popup which is initially off.

Splendid, now everybody is satisfied! -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Ricardo Cruz

12:14

Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 12:23, o Stanislav Visnovsky escreveu:

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Dňa Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically.

Stano

Good point. What about just making a system beep then? It is of short duration, but if the person is somewhere next to the computer, he would hear it. We would just need to add a UI::Beep() method to Yast and call it from there. Cheers, Ricardo -- It is one of the superstitions of the human mind to have imagined that virginity could be a virtue. -- Voltaire --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Juergen Weigert

12:10

On Sep 12, 06 13:14:46 +0100, Ricardo Cruz wrote:

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Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 12:23, o Stanislav Visnovsky escreveu:

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D??a Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically.

Stano

Good point. What about just making a system beep then? It is of short duration, but if the person is somewhere next to the computer, he would hear it. We would just need to add a UI::Beep() method to Yast and call it from there.

While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de wide open suse_/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (____/ /\ (/) | __________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Ricardo Cruz

12:53

Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 13:10, o Juergen Weigert escreveu:

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On Sep 12, 06 13:14:46 +0100, Ricardo Cruz wrote:

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Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 12:23, o Stanislav Visnovsky escreveu:

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D??a Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal:

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Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu:

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2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required?

I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw.

I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically.

Stano

Good point. What about just making a system beep then? It is of short duration, but if the person is somewhere next to the computer, he would hear it. We would just need to add a UI::Beep() method to Yast and call it from there.

While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen.

Good idea. One thing, auto-eject still needs the window to popup. I also think it's kinda of dumb to make an option for "beep when a new cd is requested". So, we just need some "Automatically eject the cd when over" radio button there. The beep would not be configurable. Agree? Cheers, Ricardo

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cheers, Jw.

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Hans Witvliet

20:34

On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:10 +0200, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen.

No, no, no. Only appropiate when doing the install on location in a buddist monastary. Installation sites are often noisy rooms, making "more noise" hardly usefull. Just as unhelpfull as a pop-up window, when your console is kvm-switched to another machine ;-) Leave the noise making to the managers, they are paid for that job! -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

20:39

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 22:34, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:10 +0200, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen.

No, no, no.

Only appropiate when doing the install on location in a buddist monastary. Installation sites are often noisy rooms, making "more noise" hardly usefull. Just as unhelpfull as a pop-up window, when your console is kvm-switched to another machine ;-)

Leave the noise making to the managers, they are paid for that job!

You don't actually stand in a server room while installing, do you? This is what ssh or vnc is for But about the options, what's wrong with choice? If you don't like it, don't enable it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

22:53

On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 22:39 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 22:34, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:10 +0200, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen.

No, no, no.

Only appropiate when doing the install on location in a buddist monastary. Installation sites are often noisy rooms, making "more noise" hardly usefull. Just as unhelpfull as a pop-up window, when your console is kvm-switched to another machine ;-)

Leave the noise making to the managers, they are paid for that job!

You don't actually stand in a server room while installing, do you? This is what ssh or vnc is for

But about the options, what's wrong with choice? If you don't like it, don't enable it

What Klaus suggested (optional checkbox, default: off) is the best solution. -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Karl Eichwalder

13 Sep 13 Sep

07:41

Hans Witvliet writes:

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What Klaus suggested (optional checkbox, default: off) is the best solution.

I'd say, that's just featuritis. It's not needed for a DVD installation nor for a network installation. Most "real" users do not install that often--so this new feature would make life more complicate for them. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH GPG: 1024D/06EB882E B2A3 AF2F CFC8 40B1 67EA 475A 5903 A21B 06EB 882E --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Azerion

10:59

Op woensdag 13 september 2006 09:41, schreef Karl Eichwalder:

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Hans Witvliet writes:

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What Klaus suggested (optional checkbox, default: off) is the best solution.

I'd say, that's just featuritis. It's not needed for a DVD installation nor for a network installation. Most "real" users do not install that often--so this new feature would make life more complicate for them.

+1 See "Mockups: Installation openSUSE 10.x by Azerion" - do not show options that are not used by the mainstream (80%) and the user should not know of. More options is more confusing. However, the checkbox could be included in the advanced part. But that is only a plan if we are gonna redesign openSUSE installation (my way :P ) Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Klaus Kaempf
Ricardo Cruz
Stanislav Visnovsky
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