Martin Pluskal composed on 2018-10-02 03:56 (UTC-0400):

On Mon, 2018-10-01 at 13:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

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Can it be brought back?

May I ask what exactly is purpose of sending this statement to openSUSE Factory mailing list?

I couldn't think of a better place to ask. Where should it have gone? Absent packages that are part of other distros' base installations are not support issues, are they? -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 05:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

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fbset was not removed 3 years ago, but 6 years

...not yet 6.

# ls -lGg fbs* -rw-rw-r-- 1 45141 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.i586.rpm -rw-rw-r-- 1 46005 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.x86_64.rpm

I got those from BS home:Ledest. The content of those files matches the timestamps, not yet 4 years ago. They're what I use, and still work, but normally they are of no use, as the usual context is I'm asking someone who wants help on a forum or mailing list to provide information helpful in finding a solution.

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The maintainer did so with a comment stating that it was made obsolete by KMS and other tools

Where would this comment have been, or be found now? If I could have figured out the replacement tool(s) I wouldn't still be looking or asking. Surely fbset must serve some purpose to justify other major distros continuing to include them not only in their repos, but in their default installations.

for any package that has removed from Tumbleweed, if you know the source package name, you can query the removal reason using: osc log -D openSUSE:Factory $pkgname, then the 'top most entry' will give you the information you seek: e.g.: osc log -D openSUSE:Factory fbset reveals: r20 | coolo | 2013-05-16 10:11:26 | 8b0d8fdc295a48ede6ccbad7796dabb3 | 2.1 | rq134218 Obsoleted by KMS and other modern tools As for your initial mail: it cana help if you formulate explicit questions into your emails. Keep in mind that the readers of your emails don't know about the thoughts you had before writing down the email - we can base our answers only on the information provided. A generally good indication for a question in an email is a question mark (?). Since your original mail contained none, and also no phrase other than pure information you gathered, there was no way of telling what your intention behind the mail was. Try to formulate conscise questions - the less open, the better people can answer. cheers Dominique

On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 11:31 +0200, Michal Kubecek wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 October 2018 11:25 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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A generally good indication for a question in an email is a question mark (?). Since your original mail contained none, and also no phrase other than pure information you gathered

You are the third person in this thread claiming this - and yet it's not true. There is a direct question: "Can it be brought back?"

Hi Michal, I re-read <and reread the mail again.. and yes, you are right! Apologies for that. Having the question in the midst of what seems to be the RPM changelog made it appear well hidden though:

# rpm -q --changelog fbset | head -n## * Thu Feb 16 2012 rschweikert@suse.com - place binaries in /usr tree (UsrMerge project)

* Fri Sep 30 2011 uli@suse.com - cross-build fix: use %__cc, %configure macros

Can it be brought back? Fedora and Debian still have it. From their changelogs:

* Fri Feb 23 2018 Florian Weimer <fweimer@...> - 2.1-45 - Use LDFLAGS from redhat-rpm-config (via %set_build_flags) - Remove "rm -rf ${RPM_BUILD_ROOT}" - Remove "%defattr(-,root,root)" - Add gcc build requirement

so, yes, there is first part of the rpm changelog, then a question and parts of a different changelog. My fault for not paying more attention in this case. Cheers, Dominique

Dr. Werner Fink composed on 2018-10-02 11:37 (UTC+0200):

AFAIK the are below /sys/class/graphics/fb0/ a file modes and a file mode former provides a list with possible modes and by using one of those lines e.g.

echo U:1920x1200p-0 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/mode

it should be possible to set the mode. With a running X the xrandr is more flexible

I can manage to get what I need (information, not a new mode) on my own puters just fine with fbset. What I can't do is expect to get someone used to a GUI, but stuck at a bash prompt, who is asking for help to fix his too tiny or gigantic screen text problem to give me the information I need to help him fix it by giving him a complicated instruction like you just provided instead of a simple 'fbset' or 'inxi -Gxx'. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar composed on 2018-10-02 11:25 (UTC+0200):

A generally good indication for a question in an email is a question mark (?). Since your original mail contained none

I guess I must have hidden "Can it be brought back?" too well by putting it near the center of my message. :-) When I scroll the line containing "?" on https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2018-10/msg00003.html to the middle of the browser viewport, the scrollbar grabber is dead center. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/10/2018 11.25, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 05:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

for any package that has removed from Tumbleweed, if you know the source package name, you can query the removal reason using:

osc log -D openSUSE:Factory $pkgname, then the 'top most entry' will give you the information you seek:

Ah, this is interesting, thanks :-)

e.g.:

osc log -D openSUSE:Factory fbset reveals:

r20 | coolo | 2013-05-16 10:11:26 | 8b0d8fdc295a48ede6ccbad7796dabb3 | 2.1 | rq134218

Obsoleted by KMS and other modern tools

As for your initial mail: it cana help if you formulate explicit questions into your emails. Keep in mind that the readers of your emails don't know about the thoughts you had before writing down the email - we can base our answers only on the information provided.

A generally good indication for a question in an email is a question mark (?). Since your original mail contained none, and also no phrase other than pure information you gathered, there was no way of telling what your intention behind the mail was. Try to formulate conscise questions - the less open, the better people can answer.

He did ask: ]> Can it be brought back? Fedora and Debian still have it. From their changelogs: :-) Maybe Felix should have written more prominently - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCW7OabAAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1d68AKCHVQAQEfMlQUCvjkdduzwREM7wTwCfVFSQkczqjZ6eoUDHbPqsDIn5trk= =Uzp2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 11:14, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

# ls -lGg fbs* -rw-rw-r-- 1 45141 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.i586.rpm -rw-rw-r-- 1 46005 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.x86_64.rpm

I got those from BS home:Ledest.

This is the opensuse-factory@ mailinglist, related to the development of openSUSE distributions For all practical and legal purposes, the term "openSUSE distributions" does not, at all, in any way manner or form, include the contents of the home: repositories provided freely to any random person who logs in to reference build service server. If you wish to discuss the contents of a home: repository, I suggest you email the user who owns that home: repository. Their email address can often be found clearly in their OBS user profile. But I respectfully request that you avoid conflating those individuals with the Project as a whole in any future posts to this list. The developers of the openSUSE distributions who inhabit this list do not have any collective responsibility for the contents of any home: project. And my responses were therefore on topic, limited to information of relevance to this list, the actual contents of the openSUSE distributions. (And for the record, in the case of devel projects, discussions regarding the contents of those projects should be direct with the maintainers of those projects first. Given their unique role in being a location before inclusion in the openSUSE distributions, I can see how this list might be a suitable proxy or alternative to that from time to time) Regards, Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Richard, Am 02.10.18 um 11:50 schrieb Richard Brown:

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 11:14, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:

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# ls -lGg fbs* -rw-rw-r-- 1 45141 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.i586.rpm -rw-rw-r-- 1 46005 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.x86_64.rpm

I got those from BS home:Ledest.

This is the opensuse-factory@ mailinglist, related to the development of openSUSE distributions

For all practical and legal purposes, the term "openSUSE distributions" does not, at all, in any way manner or form, include the contents of the home: repositories provided freely to any random person who logs in to reference build service server.

If you wish to discuss the contents of a home: repository, I suggest you email the user who owns that home: repository. Their email address can often be found clearly in their OBS user profile.

But I respectfully request that you avoid conflating those individuals with the Project as a whole in any future posts to this list. The developers of the openSUSE distributions who inhabit this list do not have any collective responsibility for the contents of any home: project. And my responses were therefore on topic, limited to information of relevance to this list, the actual contents of the openSUSE distributions.

(And for the record, in the case of devel projects, discussions regarding the contents of those projects should be direct with the maintainers of those projects first. Given their unique role in being a location before inclusion in the openSUSE distributions, I can see how this list might be a suitable proxy or alternative to that from time to time)

I respectfully request that you avoid always telling everyone what to write on this list. It might not be your intention, but your mails lately regularly give me the impression that they are geared at making the recipient feel unwelcome and try to drive him or her away. We all here know Felix for quite some time. We have learned his fascinations for "unusual" Display configuration, and AFAIK he has a reason for this -- his less than perfect eyesight (or at least he cares for people with less than perfect eyesight). We have learned to decode his emails and find the questions hidden somewhere in there. We have learned that he tests on old hardware that not many other people still care for. I appreciate that. If you manage to drive him away, this would be a loss to the project, at least in my humble opinion. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 2018-10-02 17:25, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2018 11:13:47 CEST schreef Felix Miata:

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Richard Brown composed on 2018-10-02 10:33 (UTC+0200):

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fbset was not removed 3 years ago, but 6 years

...not yet 6.

# ls -lGg fbs* -rw-rw-r-- 1 45141 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.i586.rpm -rw-rw-r-- 1 46005 Jan 7 2015 fbset-2.1-0.1.x86_64.rpm

Branched later?

*Built* later. That says nothing about the age of the source that was used to build it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org