[opensuse-factory] Question about Leap and Tumbleweed Repos
Hi, I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online. My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap? My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable"). Thanks, Milan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/ It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything. So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 18. August 2015, 18:34:28 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann
<milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, [...] My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Did I get that correct, leap will be the successor for Harlekin, and Tumbleweed will remain "bleeding edge"? Greetings Willi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Wilhelm Boltz <boltz.willi.list@gmail.com> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 18. August 2015, 18:34:28 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann
<milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, [...] My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Did I get that correct, leap will be the successor for Harlekin, and Tumbleweed will remain "bleeding edge"?
That's it in a nutshell. The definition of "bleeding edge" for Tumbleweed varies. The goal is not to be too close to that edge and mostly that is working. Leap is pulling 75% of its packages right now from the current Tumbleweed. A stabilization freeze is coming. It is not clear to me what will happen with Leap over the next couple years. Maybe for those 75% of packages Leap will sync to Tumbleweed once a year or so. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 11:40 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
That's it in a nutshell. The definition of "bleeding edge" for Tumbleweed varies. The goal is not to be too close to that edge and mostly that is working.
Leap is pulling 75% of its packages right now from the current Tumbleweed. A stabilization freeze is coming.
It is not clear to me what will happen with Leap over the next couple years. Maybe for those 75% of packages Leap will sync to Tumbleweed once a year or so.
The idea here is to resync Leap 42.2 (the next version, in ~ year) with SLE12SP2 as much as possible and resync the rest with TW.. basically the same we do this time, with SLE12SP1 (which forms the base of Leap by now) Cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/19/2015 05:50 PM, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 11:40 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
That's it in a nutshell. The definition of "bleeding edge" for Tumbleweed varies. The goal is not to be too close to that edge and mostly that is working.
Leap is pulling 75% of its packages right now from the current Tumbleweed. A stabilization freeze is coming.
It is not clear to me what will happen with Leap over the next couple years. Maybe for those 75% of packages Leap will sync to Tumbleweed once a year or so.
The idea here is to resync Leap 42.2 (the next version, in ~ year) with SLE12SP2 as much as possible and resync the rest with TW.. basically the same we do this time, with SLE12SP1 (which forms the base of Leap by now)
"Base" in the sense of core basic packages, not in the sense of amount of packages. Only 25% of Leap packages comes from SLE12SP1, but it's the 25% that really can be considered the core of the operating system. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/
It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
Thanks; yes, I was looking for discrete packages, rather than ISOs
My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Ok thanks; Is there a plan, at the point of Leap 42.1 release, to sync Leap 42.1 back into Tumbleweed? I guess I am curious if a) those changes that came to Leap 42.1 from SLES will be in Tumbleweed and b) how much different Tumbleweed and 42.1 will be at that point (bigger difference would indicate more future divergence although I realize that is a speculation). My reason for that curiosity is self serving - in trying to decide whether to use Leap or Tumbleweed in the future (for 9 months or so I am on Tumbleweed and except of a few month period of switching to Plasma 5 it has been stable for daily operation) Thanks Milan
Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/
It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
Thanks; yes, I was looking for discrete packages, rather than ISOs
My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Ok thanks; Is there a plan, at the point of Leap 42.1 release, to sync Leap 42.1 back into Tumbleweed?
I think you have it backwards. For the "core" packages: SLE12 was pulled out of Tumbleweed roughly a year ago. Leap has just pulled those core packages out of SLE12 (as well as SLE12 updates) At some point the next SLE12 service pack will selectively pull packages and patches out of Tumbleweed. Great effort will be made to ensure a reliable service pack is created. Shortly after the next SLE12 service pack is released, Leap's core packages will be synced with that service pack.
I guess I am curious if a) those changes that came to Leap 42.1 from SLES will be in Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed is at the point of the spear. Changes should go there first. (ie. before SLES or Leap).
and b) how much different Tumbleweed and 42.1 will be at that point (bigger difference would indicate more future divergence although I realize that is a speculation).
Again, at least 75% of Leap is coming straight from Tumbleweed. For those packages, approximately 1 year from now it seems Leap will jump forward to where Tumbleweed has advanced to. For the core packages, Leap will mostly follow what SLES 12 is doing with its service packs.
My reason for that curiosity is self serving - in trying to decide whether to use Leap or Tumbleweed in the future (for 9 months or so I am on Tumbleweed and except of a few month period of switching to Plasma 5 it has been stable for daily operation)
That's the question lots of people will have to face. I'm still on 13.1 and 13.2. I will likely go with Leap.
Thanks Milan
Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/
It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
Thanks; yes, I was looking for discrete packages, rather than ISOs
My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Ok thanks; Is there a plan, at the point of Leap 42.1 release, to sync Leap 42.1 back into Tumbleweed?
I think you have it backwards.
Well, I always understood that Tumbleweed is on the tip, and so, for example, a 13.2 release would essentially be performed tagging Tumbleweed with the release number (maybe that is not right but that is what I thought). But various online posts and description of Leap that I did read in the news, completely confused me in that regard - I actually understood the descriptions that the relationship is backwards :) - that is partly why I started asking here :) I appreciate your patience - I am expanding my initial questions so please feel free to say so if this does not seem helpful in general (more expansion below)
For the "core" packages:
SLE12 was pulled out of Tumbleweed roughly a year ago.
I did not know this.
Leap has just pulled those core packages out of SLE12 (as well as SLE12 updates)
Yes, the about 25%, correct?
At some point the next SLE12 service pack will selectively pull packages and patches out of Tumbleweed. Great effort will be made to ensure a reliable service pack is created.
Shortly after the next SLE12 service pack is released, Leap's core packages will be synced with that service pack.
Ok
I guess I am curious if a) those changes that came to Leap 42.1 from SLES will be in Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed is at the point of the spear. Changes should go there first. (ie. before SLES or Leap).
Ok, I think that was always the case. But what it means in practical terms right now: I am on Tumbleweed, does that mean I am on a path to Leap? In other words, I am using these repos; home-server:~ # zypper lr -E -u # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | URI ---+--------------------+--------------------+---------+-----------+---------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 | packman-essentials | packman-essentials | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://mirror.karneval.cz/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essenti... 5 | packman-multimedia | packman-multimedia | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://mirror.karneval.cz/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Multime... 6 | repo-debug | repo-debug | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/debug 7 | repo-non-oss | repo-non-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss 8 | repo-oss | repo-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss 9 | repo-update | repo-update | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ If I keep using them, at the point of release of 42.1, will it make my system same as Leap 42.1? If that is the case, at that point I can decide whether to change my repos to Leap repos and be on Leap, or continue using my repos above, and be on Tumbleweed.
and b) how much different Tumbleweed and 42.1 will be at that point (bigger difference would indicate more future divergence although I realize that is a speculation).
Again, at least 75% of Leap is coming straight from Tumbleweed. For those packages, approximately 1 year from now it seems Leap will jump forward to where Tumbleweed has advanced to.
Ok, so basically Leap 42.2 will be a tag on Tumbleweed at that point?
For the core packages, Leap will mostly follow what SLES 12 is doing with its service packs.
Ok
My reason for that curiosity is self serving - in trying to decide whether to use Leap or Tumbleweed in the future (for 9 months or so I am on Tumbleweed and except of a few month period of switching to Plasma 5 it has been stable for daily operation)
That's the question lots of people will have to face. I'm still on 13.1 and 13.2. I will likely go with Leap.
That is what I am thinking about too, but wanted to understand the relationship (if anything, to help me switch considering I am on Tumbleweed now). Thanks Milan
Thanks Milan
Greg
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On 2015-08-21 00:27, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Ok, I think that was always the case. But what it means in practical terms right now: I am on Tumbleweed, does that mean I am on a path to Leap?
No.
In other words, I am using these repos;
...
If I keep using them, at the point of release of 42.1, will it make my system same as Leap 42.1?
No.
Again, at least 75% of Leap is coming straight from Tumbleweed. For those packages, approximately 1 year from now it seems Leap will jump forward to where Tumbleweed has advanced to.
Ok, so basically Leap 42.2 will be a tag on Tumbleweed at that point?
No. HTH :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-08-21 00:27, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Ok, I think that was always the case. But what it means in practical terms right now: I am on Tumbleweed, does that mean I am on a path to Leap?
No.
In other words, I am using these repos;
...
If I keep using them, at the point of release of 42.1, will it make my system same as Leap 42.1?
No.
Again, at least 75% of Leap is coming straight from Tumbleweed. For those packages, approximately 1 year from now it seems Leap will jump forward to where Tumbleweed has advanced to.
Ok, so basically Leap 42.2 will be a tag on Tumbleweed at that point?
No.
HTH :-)
It does, in a practical sense as a guidance. In understanding - maybe - it sounds like the relationship of Tumbleweed vs. Leap is different than in the past (Tumbleweed vs. 13.2 let's say). In any case I think it would help if Leap 14.1 and Tumbleweed were described in detail somewhere, not just high level such as here https://news.opensuse.org/2015/07/16/tumbleweed-whats-happening-with-leap/ Thanks for all help and responses, Milan
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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On 2015-08-21 02:54, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Carlos E. R.
HTH :-)
It does, in a practical sense as a guidance. In understanding - maybe - it sounds like the relationship of Tumbleweed vs. Leap is different than in the past (Tumbleweed vs. 13.2 let's say).
Absolutely :-)
In any case I think it would help if Leap 14.1 and Tumbleweed were described in detail somewhere, not just high level such as here
It's a moving target. At least, Leap. I know what it is, but I don't feel confident to do a writeup on it. Others may :-) There have been tons of discussions about it in the mail lists here, so you just need to catch on some reading ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 11:49 -0500, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Greg Freemyer < greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/
It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
Thanks; yes, I was looking for discrete packages, rather than ISOs
There is a repository with 42.1 Milestone 1 published at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/repo/oss / and there is a repository with 42.1-Current (as of today) with the collected updates at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Current/repo/oss/ Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-08-19 21:46, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
There is a repository with 42.1 Milestone 1 published at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/repo/oss
/
and there is a repository with 42.1-Current (as of today) with the collected updates at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Current/repo/oss/
But
the ISO default configured: baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ which gets no updates. Till I learnt there is another one with the current versions, all zypper dups failed to do anything. Reporting issues that might have been solved in updates is pointless and a waste of time for all... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXU63gACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VEpwCaA1xAE1MTvocnHlKAXh3LFvAl BjEAoJIlWmFsj9AzoBzPNbwngF3NhB2n =K5l9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 22:47 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-08-19 21:46, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
There is a repository with 42.1 Milestone 1 published at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/repo /oss
/
and there is a repository with 42.1-Current (as of today) with the collected updates at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Current/repo/os s/
But
the ISO default configured:
baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/
which gets no updates. Till I learnt there is another one with the current versions, all zypper dups failed to do anything. Reporting issues that might have been solved in updates is pointless and a waste of time for all...
The ISO is MS1 - and you get the repository for MS1 enabled... Milestnoes are there to get a DEFINED set of packages to test and report bugs againts... moving targets are difficult to hit (in TW we can live with it as we have the 'daily snapshot version'. The -Current repo is helpful, as MS1 to MS2 is 'a bit far away'.. the gaps are supposed to become shorter now though... Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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