Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Integrating Plymouth
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 22:56:27 David Hall wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
Secondly, I'm not sure which part of this you think is a very requested feature.
Look at: https://features.opensuse.org/ Second most voted for feature
No matter your opinion of openFATE, it is where the community has agreed to post features and vote on them.
Well, reading the comments, the feature actually requested is for a flicker- free boot sequence, and that is something I can agree with, I certainly don't have a problem with that. I just think we may be leaving regular users behind for ideological reasons when we say that users of the only properly working nvidia driver can forget support, they'll have to take what they get. I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer. Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:26:04 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer.
Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested?
I don't know. That was my original, still unanswered question Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:26:04 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer.
Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested?
By the way, where did you see that it could fall back to a non-kms graphics mode? In all the docs for plymouth that I was able to find, it said DRM and KMS are requirements for graphics, and if that is not present you get a text mode boot sequence. If that indeed is wrong, then I don't have any objections Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:26:04 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer.
Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested?
By the way, where did you see that it could fall back to a non-kms graphics mode?
Here[0], it says:
For systems that don't have DRM mode settings drivers, plymouth falls back to text mode **(it can also use a legacy /dev/fb interface)**.
(emphasis added) [0] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:52:00 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:26:04 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer.
Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested?
By the way, where did you see that it could fall back to a non-kms graphics mode?
Here[0], it says:
For systems that don't have DRM mode settings drivers, plymouth falls back to text mode **(it can also use a legacy /dev/fb interface)**. (emphasis added)
ok, I guess I misunderstood that. It is a very odd way of phrasing it though: "you absolutely must have drm and kms, it is absolutely vital! If you don't have drm and kms you won't get any graphics at all (oh, by the way, you don't really need drm and kms)" Well then, I guess that answers my question. Thanks Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 29.12.2011 05:34, schrieb Anders Johansson:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 01:26:04 Claudio Freire wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
plymouth says it can fall back to framebuffer.
Is that wrong? Or maybe not enough? Has anyone tested?
Yes, see below.
By the way, where did you see that it could fall back to a non-kms graphics mode? In all the docs for plymouth that I was able to find, it said DRM and KMS are requirements for graphics, and if that is not present you get a text mode boot sequence.
I just took a fedora 16 live CD and booted it in kvm, added "vga=0x317" and it booted in graphics mode perfectly fine (with flickering when switching to X, but that's nothing we can blame plymouth for). So yes, it seems to work fine. JFTR: this test took about 10 minutes (including the ISO download). :-) -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2011/12/29 Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de>:
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 22:56:27 David Hall wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
Secondly, I'm not sure which part of this you think is a very requested feature.
Look at: https://features.opensuse.org/ Second most voted for feature
No matter your opinion of openFATE, it is where the community has agreed to post features and vote on them.
Well, reading the comments, the feature actually requested is for a flicker- free boot sequence, and that is something I can agree with, I certainly don't have a problem with that.
It sure doesn't look that way.
I just think we may be leaving regular users behind for ideological reasons when we say that users of the only properly working nvidia driver can forget support, they'll have to take what they get.
Why are you still beating around that bush? Get a Fedora, install it and install nvidia driver and then please spare us the FUD.
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide
Why would you want bootslash when plymouth is superior? Is it so hard to understand that if you have KMS driver present you get native resolution since plymouth is loaded into memory (no more mode changes), if you don't, you have to specify native resolution with vga= on the kernel command line and the screen will change mode 1 time. Plymouth always works. There's no need to fallback or anything else... and if by historical reasons or pure fetichism you don't want plymouth, you can still disable. Start listening to people. Do you know what 'functional analphabetism' is? It's when people regardless of their academical degree fail hard in understanding simple things. Fo
a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
You can't have both... You are 1, the voter community is a few hundreds. If this is a true democracy, then you loss... have a nice day.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Hey guys, the tone in this list is getting annoying. Calm down, please, everybody. May be I'm getting old, but there was a time when technical decisions were discussed without leaving an insult here and there ... Have fun! Detlef On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:53:56 +0000 Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@gmail.com> wrote:
2011/12/29 Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de>:
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 22:56:27 David Hall wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de> wrote:
Secondly, I'm not sure which part of this you think is a very requested feature.
Look at: https://features.opensuse.org/ Second most voted for feature
No matter your opinion of openFATE, it is where the community has agreed to post features and vote on them.
Well, reading the comments, the feature actually requested is for a flicker- free boot sequence, and that is something I can agree with, I certainly don't have a problem with that.
It sure doesn't look that way.
I just think we may be leaving regular users behind for ideological reasons when we say that users of the only properly working nvidia driver can forget support, they'll have to take what they get.
Why are you still beating around that bush? Get a Fedora, install it and install nvidia driver and then please spare us the FUD.
I think it should be possible to detect when there is a kms capable driver, and use plymouth then, and fall back to bootsplash/splashy/whatever to provide
Why would you want bootslash when plymouth is superior? Is it so hard to understand that if you have KMS driver present you get native resolution since plymouth is loaded into memory (no more mode changes), if you don't, you have to specify native resolution with vga= on the kernel command line and the screen will change mode 1 time. Plymouth always works. There's no need to fallback or anything else... and if by historical reasons or pure fetichism you don't want plymouth, you can still disable.
Start listening to people. Do you know what 'functional analphabetism' is? It's when people regardless of their academical degree fail hard in understanding simple things. Fo
a nice graphical boot sequence for everyone. I don't object to plymouth, I object to dropping the standard bootsplash by default
You can't have both... You are 1, the voter community is a few hundreds. If this is a true democracy, then you loss... have a nice day.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On Thursday 29 December 2011 09:53:56 Nelson Marques wrote:
Start listening to people. Do you know what 'functional analphabetism' is? It's when people regardless of their academical degree fail hard in understanding simple things. Fo
You are hereby ignored. This is not a level at which I want to hold discussions. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi all, I am a user of openSUSE and really like it. I also package on OBS somepackages, but my experience is not enough to maintain a package likeplymouth, if I could I would. plymouth is very stable from what Itested with Fedora and Ubuntu.I never run into any problems, not with nouveau nor with nVidiadriver. In a worst case it fall back's to a blue loading bar, textmode is just one ESC key away. Of course this is no guarantee that itwill work for everybody. Though even if not default setting, It*should* be in the repos (It should already have been in releases agoIMHO). Nobody will get hurt. A lot of users vote for it and it isgoing to be almost standard. Best regards,Damian 2011/12/29 Anders Johansson <ajh@nitio.de>:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 09:53:56 Nelson Marques wrote:
Start listening to people. Do you know what 'functional analphabetism' is? It's when people regardless of their academical degree fail hard in understanding simple things. Fo
You are hereby ignored. This is not a level at which I want to hold discussions.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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